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Andrew Summerell

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Architects’ Responsibility for Sustainable Maintenance
« on: April 13, 2009, 09:39:29 PM »
I posted this on ‘thegolfforum’ for those in Australia who may know the courses involved, but thought it was worthwhile discussing here in a generic sense.

On my recent holiday I played two courses, neither of which would be included in any Top 100 lists. They service little country towns of around 1000 people with some seasonal tourist trade.

The first course is right beside the ocean with a design (I assume having evolved through member involvement over the years) that would be easy to maintain. The greens are small, the course is not overly bunkered & there are very few trees. The club only hires a ground staff of 1, yet the course is regularly in better condition than many big city courses.

The other course has definitely had a golf course designer involved, but would have similar, or less, income than the first course. Although you can’t see the ocean it is about 50 yards from the beach. What I found bizarre was the size of the greens. All the greens are exceptionally large (some of the largest I have played over the 700+ courses I have played around the world), with huge undulations & multiple tiers. The last green is just under 200 feet from front to back & all the other greens aren’t much smaller.

A course like this sounds like it could be a lot of fun, but the greens take so much time just to cut that the course is constantly in poor condition because of lack of funds & staff.

Why would any designer try to sell a design like that to a little country club & have such disregard for their maintenance budget? At what point is this the architects’ fault, or should the blame fall back on the developers/committee?

Damon Groves

Re: Architects’ Responsibility for Sustainable Maintenance
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2009, 10:49:23 PM »
I think the architect shares plenty of responsibility to design a course that is sustainable to the degree that the course remains affordable. It would be nice if Fazio took that into consideration at some point. Sadly he does not and the game and his courses are worse for it.

Brad Kane

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Re: Architects’ Responsibility for Sustainable Maintenance
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 11:45:38 PM »
Andrew,

Interesting question there.  I would venture to say that the architect shares the responsibility for the long term care of his design and hard work.  I certainly would, considering my name would be associated with that design.  That said, there is no doubt that future course developers sell a design on its potential for success.  Great design in place should translate to more "patrons" equating to higher revenues, therefore more staff/budget.  Obviously that does not play out as planned for many courses.

An alternative model is a place like Bandon Dunes where the architects designed the course to play beautifully in ANY condition.  The new course, Old MacDonald has the biggest greens i've ever seen but there is little doubt that the "smaller" greens of Bandon Dunes/Pacific/Trails have secured guaranteed play due to their magnificence, thus no issues with affording proper maintenance of the course/greens on Old Mac.  A different model than one course built to support itself.

B.

John Gosselin

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Re: Architects’ Responsibility for Sustainable Maintenance
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2009, 10:08:22 AM »
Damon,

Could you give some examples of Fazio courses that you have played that the design requires a larger maintenance budget then what the members or owner expected?

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