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Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Vote Now: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #100 on: April 28, 2009, 04:39:26 PM »
Jonathan, what do you mean by "where the problems lie?"

I would imagine he means the sample was not large enough and may affect the veracity of the results.


Exactly


Emil Weber

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Re: Vote Now: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #101 on: April 29, 2009, 09:39:46 AM »
Time has passed since I voted on the ballot and during the time, I have played courses that can be ranked. Am I able to vote again?

Ian_L

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Re: Vote Now: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #102 on: April 29, 2009, 10:01:49 PM »
Sure Emil, just PM me the new courses and ratings.

Mark Bourgeois

Re: Vote Now: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #103 on: April 30, 2009, 07:20:15 AM »
Ian - you'll get population histograms from me when I process the numbers. 

An average of 48 votes for the 400-some courses??  That's a solid base.  How many courses have less than 10 votes?  Less than 5 votes??  These are where the problems will lie.

JC

The way I read Ian's reply, he says the average number of votes cast per respondent is 48, not the average number of votes per course is 48.

Ian, which one?

Mark

Ian_L

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Re: Vote Now: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #104 on: April 30, 2009, 12:41:01 PM »
Thanks Mark for catching that.  That is, as you say, the average number of courses seen per rater.  I will get average number of votes per course for you as well...

Scott Warren

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Re: Vote Now: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #105 on: July 30, 2009, 12:37:29 PM »
Ian,

Is it too late to PM you some new ratings?

If so, how far away are we from seeing the results?

Ian_L

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Re: Vote Now: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #106 on: July 30, 2009, 01:04:20 PM »
Scott, not too late to send new ratings.  As I mentioned in the other thread I will not be resuming this project for the next few weeks.  I'm happy to discuss further via PM.

Steve Kline

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Re: Vote Now: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #107 on: July 30, 2009, 09:24:50 PM »
I just finished my ratings. That was the first time I had used the Doak Scale. I had only played one course I could give a 10 too and maybe one or two 9s. I had a lot of 7s. Of course if I did a second time right now I might come up with something a little different. For me conditioning, mowing patterns, etc. are a big factor. For example, I've played #2 more than any other course that could be in the top 100. And while the architecture is great it is currently being wasted. The course is almost always very soft no matter what time of year I play it. The ball can't really be bounced onto the greens - and lately you haven't needed to. And the fairways are mown way too narrow for the architecture. There are almost no fairways bunkers left - just rough bunkers. It's a real shame because I think the architecture is great. For me many of the courses that I have played on this list have good architecture but the difference comes down to how they are presented. The "would I make a special trip" part of the Doak scale was interesting to me - because most of the courses I could rank I did make a special trip to see but it doesn't mean I would do it again. I'll be interested to see how I ranked the courses versus how the group did.

Ian - will it be possible to get a copy of our ratings? I guess I should have written them down as I went. I also second the many other ideas on making this a dynamic ranking.

Ian_L

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Re: Vote Now: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #108 on: September 07, 2009, 08:31:44 PM »
Hi all,

I am starting this back up.  If you haven't voted already, you will have about a week to do so.   I will be checking for inconsistencies in voting (for example, only completing one part of the ballot).  This will take a while as I am doing this manually, but I will contact voters who have submitted invalid ballots. 

Thanks to everyone for your pacience. :)

Ian_L

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Re: Vote Now: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #109 on: October 01, 2009, 06:26:38 PM »
Hi again,

Voting will close Sunday night so that I can export the data to excel to double check the entries to make sure they are correct.

Thanks.

Scott Warren

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #110 on: November 23, 2009, 10:11:11 AM »
How's this coming along, Ian?

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #111 on: November 23, 2009, 10:27:32 AM »
Ian:

Has the ballot box closed?

Dónal.

Ian_L

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #112 on: November 23, 2009, 05:48:42 PM »
Hi all,

Jonathan has graciously donated his time to this project and sent me the results this past weekend. Two rankings will be posted: one with simply the "raw" averages, and another using Jonathan's system.  I will post these in a couple days.

Any guesses on the Unofficial GCA Top 10?

Cristian

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #113 on: November 23, 2009, 07:28:17 PM »
Hi all,

Jonathan has graciously donated his time to this project and sent me the results this past weekend. Two rankings will be posted: one with simply the "raw" averages, and another using Jonathan's system.  I will post these in a couple days.

Any guesses on the Unofficial GCA Top 10?

OK here's my guess based on what I have read here over the years:

1. Pine Valley
2. Cypress Point
3. Sand Hills
4. NGLA
5. St Andrews Old
6. Pac Dunes
7. Royal Melbourne
8. Dornoch
9. Merion
10. Friar's Head

Know your board...

Jud_T

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #114 on: November 23, 2009, 07:35:59 PM »
1. Lawsonia
2. Ballyneal
3 Tobacco Road
4. Sheep Ranch
6. Askernish
7. Barnbougle
8. Austin Golf Club
9. Wolf Point
10. Old Mac
 :o ::) :P ;D :D ;) 8)
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Cristian

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #115 on: November 23, 2009, 07:43:46 PM »
1. Lawsonia
2. Ballyneal
3 Tobacco Road
4. Sheep Ranch
6. Askernish
7. Barnbougle
8. Austin Golf Club
9. Wolf Point
10. Old Mac
 :o ::) :P ;D :D ;) 8)


I thought it was one man one vote?!  :P

Carl Nichols

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #116 on: November 23, 2009, 08:23:43 PM »
1.  NGLA
2.  Pine Valley
3.  Cypress
4.  Sand Hills
5.  RCD
6.  Old Course
7. Shinnecock
8.  Ballybunion
9.  Oakmont
10.  Pac Dunes

Jud_T

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #117 on: November 23, 2009, 08:42:38 PM »
i'll take the under on Oakmont at #9...
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Carl Nichols

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #118 on: November 23, 2009, 08:50:15 PM »
i'll take the under on Oakmont at #9...

Where would you have it?

Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #119 on: November 24, 2009, 06:37:21 AM »
I would be surprised if there were many surprises.   ;)

Scott Warren

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #120 on: November 24, 2009, 06:40:32 AM »
Hi all,

Jonathan has graciously donated his time to this project and sent me the results this past weekend. Two rankings will be posted: one with simply the "raw" averages, and another using Jonathan's system.  I will post these in a couple days.

What is "Jonathan's system"?

Jud_T

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #121 on: November 24, 2009, 08:32:15 AM »
Carl,

Not having played Oakmont, I certainly don't have a confident guess, however I'd probably say 20th (ish)
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Cristian

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #122 on: November 24, 2009, 09:28:36 AM »
Hi all,

Jonathan has graciously donated his time to this project and sent me the results this past weekend. Two rankings will be posted: one with simply the "raw" averages, and another using Jonathan's system.  I will post these in a couple days.

What is "Jonathan's system"?

Wasn't that the weighted average were weight of grades by an individual is determined by number of courses played on the ballot?

Scott Warren

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Re: Voting Closes 10/4: World's Greatest Courses Ballot
« Reply #123 on: November 24, 2009, 10:20:49 AM »
Cool, thanks Cristian.

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