"TEPaul,
It would be helpful if someone could post an accurate topo or scaled schematic of the 18th green."
Patrick:
What are you talking about with an accurate topo of the 18th green at PV? Are you thinking about some post construction topo contour map that incorporated the green contours including that enormous mound on the green (The infamous pimple)? If so, that never existed. The reasons are pretty obvious too if you knew even a modicum of how Crump went about designing and constructing that golf course.
Pre-construction topos do exist though and it's pretty amazing what he did with that entire green-end compared to what say Colt recommended for it and the way that land in there may've been before he routed the 18th hole and green in there.
Let me ask you something----do you have any idea what I'm talking about here and what it means? My sense, AGAIN, is that you don't. I think you need to stay in the proverbial "shallow end of the pool" on some of these discussions and threads. Clearly if you wade out too deep you start to struggle and I don't want to see you completely drown, you know!
At least you seem to have some idea of the consequences of wading into the deep end of pools, in a manner of speaking
, in and around places like South Beach, Miami!
By the way, Patrick, do you realize your 18th green suggestions are on your 12th hole thread?