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Mike Tanner

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Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« on: January 14, 2009, 05:04:30 PM »
After Geoff Olgilvy won the Mercedes at Kapalua, he bemoaned the course setups that the PGA Tour would present the players for the next 20 events. I think he said setups rather than courses because he didn't want to bite the hand that feeds him too harshly.

So if the tournament at Kapalua was fun to watch because the course design and conditions prevented Tour pros from playing bomb and gouge golf, where else would you like to see them play?

For starters I nominate Cypress Point, Seminole, National Golf Links, Sand Hills and Pacific Dunes.

What say you?
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Tom Huckaby

Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2009, 05:10:36 PM »
Lincoln Park, SF, CA.

Let them battle it out in real-world conditions, and let's see who has the guts to make the stupid shots that would likely be required to go how stupidly-low would win there.

TH
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Jaeger Kovich

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros p
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 05:12:46 PM »
Quaker Ridge... Tilly's Treasure. Former host of MET Opens and Walker Cups, I'd love to see what pros would do at this classic. Also Stanwich in Greenwich, CT is an absolute bear from the "witch tees".
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2009, 05:15:41 PM »
Tobacco Road, Royal New Kent and Lederach come to mind.


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Garland Bayley

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros p
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2009, 05:17:48 PM »
Quote from: Tom Huckaby on January 14, 2009, 05:10:36 PM
Lincoln Park, SF, CA.

Let them battle it out in real-world conditions, and let's see who has the guts to make the stupid shots that would likely be required to go how stupidly-low would win there.

TH

those guys can't handle ruff and scruffy. I remember an article about a tour pro playing a New Jersey muni and he couldn't overcome the conditions to shoot evan as low as his host.
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Jed Peters

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros p
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2009, 05:27:53 PM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on January 14, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
Quote from: Tom Huckaby on January 14, 2009, 05:10:36 PM
Lincoln Park, SF, CA.

Let them battle it out in real-world conditions, and let's see who has the guts to make the stupid shots that would likely be required to go how stupidly-low would win there.

TH

those guys can't handle ruff and scruffy. I remember an article about a tour pro playing a New Jersey muni and he couldn't overcome the conditions to shoot evan as low as his host.


That's BS, Garland.

I've played with guys that are nationwide tour pros on scrubby courses and they still went low. If someone can hit the ball long and straight they can hit the ball long and straight. If they can putt they can putt. If they can short game it, they can short game it.
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Tom Huckaby

Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2009, 05:36:00 PM »
Oh I have no doubt they'd adjust and find a way.  These guys are good.

I'd just enjoy watching them suffer a bit.

TH
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros p
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2009, 05:37:23 PM »
A lot of people can hit those low spin balls long and straight. As I remember the article, the pro couldn't handle the vastly varying conditions on and around the greens. That keep the pro from chipping close to save par and from making putts normally considered in birdie range.
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Kevin Pallier

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2009, 05:40:57 PM »
Never say never but Worldwide PGA Tours:

North Berwick.....just to see if they'd crack a smile  ;D

Barnbougle Dunes.....to see how they'd handle the wind

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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2009, 05:42:10 PM »
In Oregon Tetherow and, when completed, Old Macdonald.
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Tom Huckaby

Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2009, 05:44:01 PM »
Santa Teresa GC, San Jose, CA.

I'd love to see what I find hard prove to be so freakin' easy for them.

TH
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Pat Burke

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros p
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2009, 05:47:57 PM »
My last 2 opportunities @ CPC ended with 66 and 67
And I'm not very good by their standards any more   Afraid the scores
(wind exception of course) would be scary low by many there.

One thing I am constantly surprised at is how low many can go in poor conditions
Seems bad greens end up with lower scores at times, not for me, I was spoiled my whole life
by good greens ;)
Wind and firm conditions are the one thing that keeps all of them honest
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David Neveux

Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2009, 05:48:46 PM »
Crystal Downs
Kingsley Club

both with sufficient to strong WINDS, let em have great conditioning, but I'd like to see the greens COOKING!!

Greywalls
Forest Akers East
Pinehurst 1 & 3
Bandon (all 3)
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JMEvensky

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2009, 05:50:33 PM »
Quote from: Tom Huckaby on January 14, 2009, 05:44:01 PM
Santa Teresa GC, San Jose, CA.

I'd love to see what I find hard prove to be so freakin' easy for them.

TH

No,you really wouldn't.It makes you wonder why you even bother to play.It's really fun when they cruise around in 66(never before having seen the course) and say "why do you have so much trouble scoring well here?".
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Tom Huckaby

Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2009, 05:53:38 PM »
Quote from: JMEvensky on January 14, 2009, 05:50:33 PM
Quote from: Tom Huckaby on January 14, 2009, 05:44:01 PM
Santa Teresa GC, San Jose, CA.

I'd love to see what I find hard prove to be so freakin' easy for them.

TH

No,you really wouldn't.It makes you wonder why you even bother to play.It's really fun when they cruise around in 66(never before having seen the course) and say "why do you have so much trouble scoring well here?".

Good point.  I just do have few delusions and am quite self-deprecatory.  I would indeed enjoy seeing whatever delusions I did have be shredded.  I am a weird sort.

 ;D
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JMEvensky

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2009, 06:07:06 PM »
Quote from: Tom Huckaby on January 14, 2009, 05:53:38 PM
Quote from: JMEvensky on January 14, 2009, 05:50:33 PM
Quote from: Tom Huckaby on January 14, 2009, 05:44:01 PM
Santa Teresa GC, San Jose, CA.

I'd love to see what I find hard prove to be so freakin' easy for them.

TH

No,you really wouldn't.It makes you wonder why you even bother to play.It's really fun when they cruise around in 66(never before having seen the course) and say "why do you have so much trouble scoring well here?".

Good point.  I just do have few delusions and am quite self-deprecatory.  I would indeed enjoy seeing whatever delusions I did have be shredded.  I am a weird sort.

 ;D

We wouldn't play golf if we weren't all masochists.

Read how Pat Burke answered-"by their standards".I'd almost bet he could give 2/side to anyone you know at Santa Teresa.Maybe the most truthful thing the PGA Tour ever said was "these guys are good".
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Tom Huckaby

Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2009, 06:10:49 PM »
Fully agreed there, JME.

 :'(
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Steve Lang

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2009, 06:23:12 PM »
 8)  Certainly Black Mesa.. and then drinks at the Pink Flamingo afterwards..
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Sean_A

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2009, 06:36:28 PM »
The only course I think of which would be interesting to see the pros on given:

1. It would be good to see regardless of weather
2. They no longer play the course
3. That I think would challenge the pros
4. I like

Deal

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David Stamm

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2009, 07:07:48 PM »
Pine Valley running F&F.
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Mark Woodger

Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2009, 07:12:26 PM »
agree 100% Sean. I am biased being a member but as a general rule tour golf needs include more links golf IMO. Its much more interesting and the greater variety in courses would make me want to watch it more to see how they handle different courses.  I am sure this must have been said before by wiser people that myself! :)

To my mind one week is not much different to the next on the Tour.

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Jay Kirkpatrick

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2009, 08:18:08 PM »
i don't have a specific course in mind, but i would love to see these guys play a tournament in cold weather (45 degrees or below).  the tour follows the warmth, yet more than half of us play 3-5 months a year in the cold for the love of the game (or for the hatred of our wives).
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Alan FitzGerald CGCS MG

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros p
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2009, 08:22:15 PM »
Quote from: David Stamm on January 14, 2009, 07:07:48 PM
Pine Valley running F&F.

I think the Valley would be great but matchplay would be best , I'm not sure how well it would hold up in stroke play.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2009, 08:22:54 PM »
Quote from: Steve Lang on January 14, 2009, 06:23:12 PM
8)  Certainly Black Mesa.. and then drinks at the Pink Flamingo afterwards..

Where's the Pink Flamingo?
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Jay Kirkpatrick

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Re: Courses that would never host the PGA Tour, but you'd like to see the pros play
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2009, 08:24:46 PM »
thought of one... musgrove mill.
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