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Mark_Rowlinson

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San Lorenzo with pics
« on: January 09, 2009, 07:28:50 AM »
San Lorenzo is a Joe Lee course of 1988 and, although it is located in the enormous Quinta do Lago estate on the Algarve, it is not owned by Q d L, but by the Meridien Dona Filipa hotel. I didn’t stay there, but they were very helpful, offering to make me up in a four ball, give me a buggy etc.. But I chose not to play, simply to walk. It saved me several hours, allowed me to go at my own pace, to watch others reveal to me the qualities of the course, to take whatever photos I wanted, and to see the course from whatever angle I wanted to, not my customary left-hander’s slice position deep in the rough or trees on the far left.

On reflection I came to the conclusion that it was a very clever course. It enabled average players to get round comparatively unscathed, yet giving them the excitement of a few picture postcard holes, one or two water carries and several opportunities to go for death or glory. I saw nobody (and I saw a lot of people, the course was very crowded) who will have broken 100, yet it did not break them. On the other hand I could see the challenge for the good player, were ever a professional tournament to be held here (none has been).

The key is the greens. Their gestures are big – even if occasionally shallow from front to back – but they always offer sensible, easy-access pin positions for everyday play (as you will see from the photographs), yet there are sufficient exacting pin positions to grant more testing tournament locations. In that respect I was reminded of the huge greens at El Saler, which I revisted shortly after.

It was clear that the greens were very slow, but they get huge traffic. Play, as I observed it, was from sensibly placed yellow tees from which few displayed any capacity to reach the fairway bunkers, which were clearly ideally placed for the 280-300 yard driver playing from the back. The bunkers themselves offer little challenge, but it wouldn’t take much to raise and steepen faces were the stars ever to take the course on, and – as at El Saler – the most cunning putting surface contours are those protected by or hidden behind bunkers.

San Lorenzo is not a long course, with a length of 6,825 yards and a par of 72. Only four two-shot holes are 400 yards or longer. I doubt that the course could be lengthened by much because of adjacent housing and roads, land forms and water. With the routing effectively two circles, the wind must be tackled from all quarters and the short holes face different directions.

1.   540 yards par 5.



A double dog-leg driving first towards a left-hand elbow. The proximity of housing is all too apparent.



After the dog-leg the fairway climbs gently.



As you can see there is plenty of room on the left for everyday pin positions but on the right, behind the bunkers, the putting surface is more complex.

2.   177 yards par 3.



Again plenty of easy access front left, with greater slope to the shallow, angled putting surface to the right.



The contours are more apparent in this view.

3.   365 yards par 4.



One of those teasing holes inviting the big hitter to bite off some of the sharp dog-leg.



Cutting it too fine may leave no shot to the green although left is the better side to be.



Here we go again with a hacker’s entrance on the left and one or two more interesting locations on the right.

4.   372 yards par 4.



This group waited on the tee for a quarter of an hour as they wanted to attempt to clear the fairway bunkers.



Well-placed bunkers on the inside of the dog-leg tempt many to try to clear them.



Again an easy opening on the left, but the slopes push the approach shot towards the rough on the left.



There is just enough slope on the green to give some testing longer putts.

5.   143 yards par 3.


 
A first (distant) glimpse of the Atlantic.



At last we get to the picture postcard stuff.



Don’t, whatever you do, drive where the tee is pointing!



Alignment should be easier for the ladies.



Sorry, I was wrong!



The Ria Formosa on the right is played as a lateral water hazard.



Scenic, isn’t it!

7.   377 yards par 4.



Similar sort of drive and, as on the previous hole, the worse fate may be to drive onto the hill on the left than to find the beach.



You can see the green already and the incursion of beach (or water at high tide) just in front of it.



Not quite sure what this bunker is for.


 
Why did you hit it there?



Probably because these bunkers await through the back of the green.

8.   574 yards par 5.





A lagoon on the right is of concern to slicers all the way to the green. Anyone aspiring to get on in two must fly the bunkers on the left around which the fairway bends.



A closer look at those bunkers.



Eventually, as you near the green, a stretch of lagoon interrupts the fairway. That monstrosity on the skyline is a mobile phone mast – how coy!



There is, of course, an alternative route for those who are afraid of the water carry. This is the most pretentious housing of the round.



The putting surface is only about 20 yards deep, so the idea of firing at it from 270 yards out is inconceivable.



8th green viewed from behind.

9.   400 yards par 4.



The fairway climbs and moves to the right from the tee.



You cannot see this right-side bunker from the tee.



At the top of the hill the fairway swings to the right and downhill.



This time the green-front opening is on the right, with quite a lot of movement on the left of the green.



9th green seen from behind.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2009, 07:49:10 AM by Mark_Rowlinson »

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2009, 07:29:36 AM »
10. 568 yards par 5.



An exciting drive over an arm of lagoon to a distant, rising and curving fairway.



The fairway continues to curve as it descends towards a small, semi-blind green.



As you can see, there is scope for imaginative pin placement.



There is quite a steep slope towards the rear of the green.

11. 383 yards par 4.



A fairly unremarkable hole on the highest part of the course.





A depression before the green and a central green-front bunker preclude the running approach.



The surroundings are not entirely idyllic.

12. 432 yards par 4.



Only a straight drive will do.



Many find this bank or the bunker, while keeping away from terrible trouble on the left:





A bunker which may save an errant ball from a worse fate:



An unforgiving hole.

13. 393 yards par 4.



A drive to a descending fairway which turns sharply left beyond the visible bunkers.



It’s no good being out of position on the left.



The green opens out behind the bunkers to give the more interesting pin locations.

14. 172 yards par 3.



It all looks innocuous from the tee, especially with this pin position.



Enjoy the flamingos as you walk.



But there is more trouble than you imagine if you miss on the left.

15. 517 yards par 5.



During repairs to the main teeing ground this side tee really tightens the drive.



You drive to here or a bit further, whence the fairway bends to the right and sweeps uphill.



The hilltop green calls for a precision approach.



The steepness of the approach is apparent in this view looking back.

16. 208 yards par 3.



Like the 2nd and 14th, the green is shallow, a none too easy target from the back. As usual the ball can be trundled on from the more forward tees by the less expert.



On this high ground the ball is exposed to whatever wind may be about.

17. 376 yards par 4.



Bite off as much as you can chew, but the better angle in to the green is from the right.



There’s bird life everywhere. A little egret I think.



The green sticks out into the lagoon and there’s little margin for error. I think a utilitarian mobile phone mast would be less of an eyesore than this horror.

18. 406 yards par 4.



There is a spit of land to the left front of the green and I saw several people trying to drive it. None managed the feat.



These chaps had a go – it looks possible, but the ideal line is just to the left of the bunker on the right.



It is unwise to try to drive close to the water – the fairway slopes noticeably to the left.



This is the normal approach shot to another very shallow green. The buggy beyond is on the 10th.



The final green from the left side. The putting slopes towards the water on the right.



Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2009, 07:50:48 AM »
Sorry, but I can't get the details of the 6th hole to show: 422 yards par 4.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2009, 09:06:31 AM »

The missing 6th?  (All my photos are unmarked.)



On the day I played it was straight into the wind and I nailed the drive and a 5 iron, two of the best shots I hit all year – memorable.

Great report Mark.  I hugely enjoyed my round last February.  They mixed up the pin positions nicely so we did play to some very interesting ones just behind the bunkers. My round was a shade over 4.5hrs and it was a good if tough walk.  There is some exciting elevation change on the course and the routing takes advantage of it. On the 10th I pulled the tee shot to the left of the fairway and it ran downhill through 20 yards of trees.  Eventually I missed the green on the right and had to come 20’ back up a near vertical grass bank. Talk about a card wrecker, the rest of my round was excellent.

I thought it a fine course, better than Villamoura old which was in itself very good. A word about the conditioning, where the downhill approaches of greens are too wet, was my only compliant.  I would classify it as superior holiday golf and I’m not sure if some to the deceit (parts of greens hidden) would stand upto repeat play by better golfers but I’ll happily go back again.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2009, 09:28:50 AM by Tony_Muldoon »
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Richard Boult

Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2009, 09:43:03 AM »

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2009, 10:32:49 AM »
Tony, I think your pics, for which thanks, are of the 7th. 

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2009, 12:16:37 PM »
6th? :-[




Mark I can see both these holes in you posting.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2009, 12:21:43 PM by Tony_Muldoon »
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Andrew Mitchell

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2009, 12:17:17 PM »
Mark
I also think Tony's photos are of the 7th.  I believe the 6th is photos 15 thru 19 on your first post.  6 & 7 are similar in being right to left doglegs with water down the right hand side but I think the 7th is the one with the Cape like green.

I thoroughly enjoyed San Lorenzo when I played it.  The course is playable to golfers of all abilities but certain holes can be card wreckers if you get over confident and bite off more than you can chew!  Your pictures of 17 and 18 do not depict the amount of water that I recall from playing them!

There is a feeling of space you don't get on many Algarve courses surrounded by housing.  I didn't find the houses intruded anywhere near the extent that they do at the nearby Qunita do Lago courses.

I'm going back to Quinta do Lago in May and will hopefully get a chance to play San Lorenzo.  I would put it at the top of the courses I've played in that area.

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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2009, 12:21:50 PM »
Tony, Yes, the second set of pics is of the 6th. Thank you.

Andrew, The water on the 17th and 18th is extensive but you need a step ladder to get the height to photograph it properly. Drat! I knew I'd forgotten something!

Andrew Mitchell

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2009, 12:23:20 PM »
6th? :-[




Tony
I didn't see your post #6 until after my post #7

I think your first two photos on post #6 are of the 6th but the last one is the 7th green.

Sorry :-[ ;D
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Andrew Mitchell

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2009, 12:27:21 PM »
Tony, Yes, the second set of pics is of the 6th. Thank you.

Andrew, The water on the 17th and 18th is extensive but you need a step ladder to get the height to photograph it properly. Drat! I knew I'd forgotten something!

Mark
No good photographer sets off without all his equipment, after all you didn't have any clubs to carry ;)

Will you be taking your camera to Formby or shall we rely on Sean to bring his ;D
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2009, 12:32:05 PM »
A few more













Are tie in to moundings at green edges hard to maintain in countries where it get’s very hot?  Only place I saw them.








(Andrew I'd spotted that and edited it while you were capturing it.) Cheers.

Happy memories on a freezing day today.  Only sad thing was after this I met the family for a meal before flying home.  I didn't find the restaurant chair very compfortable and then fell asleep on the plane.  My back wouldn't let me play properly for 3 months after that. I don't think I will ever play on the same day as a long flight again.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2009, 12:36:04 PM by Tony_Muldoon »
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James Boon

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2009, 12:37:27 PM »
Mark, and others who have posted pictures,

Many thanks! Its quite a few years since I played San Lorenzo, so its nice to see some photos as a reminder. I remeber the front nine as being more interesting than the back nine, where I don't really remeber anything of holes 11 to 16. I also didn't remember the amount of ground short of the 18th green, I seem to remeber it as almost an island green, but then I think I put my second in the water, so I would think that...

Cheers,

James
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Brad Tufts

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2009, 02:09:39 PM »
Save for the foreign vegetation, I could convince myself this course was on Cape Cod (and/or the islands).  The short coastal trees, the marshland/ocean views...very reminiscent of Farm Neck or New Seabury.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

David Neveux

Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2009, 03:44:24 AM »
Par 3 fifth, Can anyone say skyline green....

Like the look of the course

Cheers,

Nev

Mark Bourgeois

Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2009, 09:20:28 AM »
Mark and Tony

Many many thanks for posting the photos.  Mark you will remember we've gone back and forth on here a few times singing the merits of this course but with no one else to chime in.

I played four rounds here several years ago -- it took that many just to get out of my head "this is Joe Lee?!"

James, I liked a few of the holes in the 11-16 stretch, notably and unlike Mark 11 I did not mind and 12 was a lot of fun.  The par 3 though was not much and neither was the par 5.

Honestly, and unexpectedly for all its notoriety, I found 16-18 disappointing -- well, didn't mind 17 actually, 16 felt redundant to 5 but less interesting, while 18 felt a little contrived.

The 8th however is a fantastic brute of a hole and I tremendously enjoyed the stretch of 4-8 for their rhythm. 10 was lots of fun as well, especially for the green so well photographed by Mark.

Mark, I would note this is a major bird migration route (surely learned this from the WAOG) and you've done a lovely job capturing the avian population of Ria Formosa -- you twitcher!

The estuary along the 6th and 7th as Mark notes is tidal and he captured it at high tide.  At low tide you will see locals head out on the flats, hip-booted and buckets in hand, to dig for clams and mussels -- presumably these we eat that evening in the restaurants!

Here's hoping these photos get a few more down to see this course.  Its apparent "Portugese Custom" marketing approach makes it less well known than it should be.

Mark

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2009, 09:15:32 PM »
My cousin, a golf pro in the UK takes a tour group here every winter.  He never has any trouble filling it up and most of them are repeat visitors. Of all the many courses he has visited this is at the top of his list in this part of the world.

Tom_Doak

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2009, 10:01:20 PM »
For a course which has been rated in the top 100 in the world, it looks very unremarkable in pictures.

And are 90% of the holes sharp doglegs, or does it just seem that way?

Mike_Cirba

Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2009, 10:13:35 PM »
With all due respect, it looks to me like Joe Lee's Disney World courses with elevation changes.

JNC Lyon

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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2009, 10:24:09 PM »
For a course which has been rated in the top 100 in the world, it looks very unremarkable in pictures.

And are 90% of the holes sharp doglegs, or does it just seem that way?

I agree.  I wonder why this course was included in the World Atlas of Golf as opposed to Friar's Head, Garden City, Yeamans Hall, or the Ocean Course at Kiawah.  It appears to have a few holes of good merit, but it doesn't look to be world class.
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Sean_A

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Re: San Lorenzo with pics
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2009, 04:29:09 AM »
Mark & Tony

Thanks for posting the pix. 

I must say the course looks remarkably unremarkable. 

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