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Peter Pallotta

The Snow Doesn't Lie
« on: December 19, 2008, 11:59:07 AM »
When 8 inches of snow blankets a golf course, like it does here today, all you see are the shapes and contours of the land.

When you can't see fairways or greens or hazards -- in other words, when the golf course as Field of Play is covered in snow -- the utility and quality of those golfing features lose all meaning.

The eye doesn’t get caught up in the beauty and/or naturalness of the golfing features or by what the architect has created there; the golfer can’t focus on what he’s usually there to see and interact with, a field of play.

What's left to see – the only thing left to see -- is the way the site truly fits in (or doesn’t) with the surrounding countryside.

The whole countryside is similarly blanketed, and if it has a gentle slope/cant, or if it is just gently rolling (say, farmland) without any abrupt mounding, then you can see right away whether or not the golf course flows in the same way and embraces and manifests those same qualities.

I stopped this morning by the side of the road, next to a modest golf course designed by a golf architect (now deceased) who I think designed dozens of similarly modest golf courses.

But suddenly, its charm and simplicity became clearer to me than ever, looking at it now covered in snow.

The golf course fit the land.

Golf courses built in areas that never get covered in snow never get this same kind of ‘test’.  I wonder if that has even a little to do with how they are shaped.

Peter         

Mike Benham

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2008, 12:08:22 PM »
Also interesting to see, if it is a tree lined course, how much width there really is when you don't see the fairway cut, rough and bunkers.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 12:11:19 PM »
Yes Mike - very good point. The course I'm talking about has some framing by trees, and the "snow fairways" seem just amazingly wide.

Peter

Melvyn Morrow

Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 12:32:41 PM »
Peter

We don’t get that much snow here compared with you, but I have always believed that the course must be in harmony with the surrounding land.
Next time it snows that deep here I will take a small trek out to look at the local courses.

Never thought of looking at courses in the snow

Thanks

Melvyn



Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2008, 08:38:04 PM »
I can hardly believe how you can make such insightful observations AND explain them so lucidly. You must be destroyed.  :D

But back to the topic. I know you were getting at this, but at this time of year, the leaves are off the trees as well and you can see far back into the forest and other undisturbed areas around the course. By comparing the surrounding area and how everything flows, you can start to see how natural it looks, but also what the alternatives may have been. 'Could a hole have dog-legged up that hill?' 'Would the green to tee walk have been shorter?' etcetera.

When I get a chance, I'll try to get out there and do a little of this and perhaps get some pictures. At least at this time of year, the light is almost always at a nice, low angle.
Severally on the occasion of everything that thou doest, pause and ask thyself, if death is a dreadful thing because it deprives thee of this. - Marcus Aurelius

Peter Pallotta

Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2008, 10:42:35 PM »
Thanks, Charlie

And actually, I didn't think about or really look for/see the aspect you mentioned, i.e 'alternatives'.  I think you're right that those alternatives would present themslves, but maybe more/only to an eye that's much better trained than mine. What I noticed looking at the snow is all the things that I DIDN'T notice, i.e. all those features that in season I'm a sucker for, the bunkers and ridges and green-shapes I try desperately to understand so as to figure out how I'm suppossed to "play" them.
All that was left were ground contours.

Peter 

JESII

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2008, 11:50:38 PM »
Peter,

It's seeing a course in that setting that makes me wish all the more that it were feasible to run the fairway from wall to wall and dry it out as much as possible.

Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2008, 12:22:56 AM »
Jim,

Why isn't it feasible?
Severally on the occasion of everything that thou doest, pause and ask thyself, if death is a dreadful thing because it deprives thee of this. - Marcus Aurelius

Steve Lang

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2008, 10:03:03 AM »
 8)
Gotta have some pics..







downhill dogleg left

   
downhill par 3




but really my favorite winter shot.. the 10th at Blaketree Nat'l, the visual test is with brown grass

« Last Edit: December 21, 2008, 10:22:50 AM by Steve Lang »
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Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2008, 10:29:41 AM »
Steve,

That second looks like Como Park golf course in St. Paul. I have good memories of that place. Last time I played there I was 1-over through 17 holes before it got too dark to finish (and the mosquitos were too fierce).
Severally on the occasion of everything that thou doest, pause and ask thyself, if death is a dreadful thing because it deprives thee of this. - Marcus Aurelius

BCrosby

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2008, 10:36:37 AM »
Peter -

We don't get a lot of snow in Atlanta, but somewhat related is my experience with watercolors. Several of years ago I decided I wanted to paint golf holes and took a couple of watercolor classes. I learned some basic techniques and launched my new hobby.

Only to find that painting a golf hole is incredibly hard. Primarily because of my lack of innate talent, but also because of how hard it is to capture contour. It's about tiny differences in shading over a very narrow sub-spectrum of green. I finally gave up. My paints and brushes are now collecting dust in my basement.

To state the obvious, snow simplifies the painter's contour challenge. Rather than trying to deal with the incredibly subtle shades of green that signal contour in the summer, you get in winter much more stark black and white contrasts. Which are easier to see and to paint.

Bob  

P.S. The other lesson I took from my watercolor adventure is to never look at John Singer Sargent's watercolors while you are learning. He will expose as fantasies whatever notions you have about your own abilities.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2008, 10:58:32 AM by BCrosby »

Steve Lang

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2008, 02:43:36 PM »
 8) charlie, you're right!

i just was goofing off and found a winter pic of Como Park .. noticed the octagon clubhouse, as I had played there in the spring of 1991!
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The voice of Inverness"

Ronald Montesano

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2008, 05:44:05 PM »
Steve...what kind of board you ride?

Charlie...When DON'T you finish when you are +1?  Unless you're Tayguhh, you have to finish!
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Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2008, 06:05:18 PM »
Charlie...When DON'T you finish when you are +1?  Unless you're Tayguhh, you have to finish!

Unfortunately when it is nearly pitch black. I had hit my drive on 18, it felt like a good swing and no trouble on that hole to speak of. I searched for 10 minutes, my playing partner had to leave, and I felt like I could go back and re-tee, stripe one down the middle and I'd still not be able to find it, so I headed in.

Trust me, I'm no Tiger, +6 would have been a decent day for me back then. But I just couldn't finish it out.
Severally on the occasion of everything that thou doest, pause and ask thyself, if death is a dreadful thing because it deprives thee of this. - Marcus Aurelius

JESII

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Re: The Snow Doesn't Lie
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2008, 08:39:08 PM »
Jim,

Why isn't it feasible?

Charlie,

By "wall-to-wall", I mean wall-to-wall...if you understood that, then I would say it is not feasible simply because it is not done.

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