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Joe Hancock

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Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« on: December 14, 2008, 06:41:49 PM »
...still have fun? (Or as Ed Getka might say, "still effectively interface with the architecture"  ;D)

Seriously, have you pondered this? I wrote on another thread that one of the most enjoyable rounds of the summer was taking three clubs (putter, wedge, sand wedge) to a par 3 course with yardages ranging from 70-ish to 220+.

Is there great courses that one could still play and enjoy with, say, 7 clubs? 10 clubs? 3 clubs?

And, what is it that makes it so?

Joe

" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Bill_McBride

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2008, 06:44:10 PM »
I think you can enjoy any course with 10 clubs.  Driver, FW, 3I, 5I, 7, 8, 9, PW, SW, putter.

PCCraig

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2008, 06:54:38 PM »
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I have played maybe ten rounds in my life with only a seven iron and I have never shot over 85. The key is using versatile clubs in that for example I can hit a hook 7-iron 200+ yards, and a choke down soft 7-iron 100 yards if I have to.
H.P.S.

Bob_Huntley

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2008, 07:03:28 PM »
Joe,

I have played the Old Course with three clubs. A three wood, six iron and wedge. I putted with the three wood and was reasonably successful doing so.

Andy Troeger

Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2008, 07:05:46 PM »
I've played with 1 club a few times--I can usually shoot about 40-42 when a course isn't too tough and I don't hit into a deep bunker or something with a 6-iron.

I played the front nine at Ballyneal with 4 clubs (3W, 7I, SW, Putter) and shot 36, which was one of my best nines of the year. It helped that there weren't forced carries, so if I came up short occasionally it was still a recoverable shot. Plus I made an 80 footer on #2 for a birdie  ;D

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2008, 07:20:09 PM »
Funny to read this thread, as I just returned from walking 7 holes with a seven iron and a putter.  I was eight over, including a three putt.

 The best part was it only took me one hour. 

Garland Bayley

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2008, 07:34:29 PM »
When I lived in colder regions of the country, I would always start my golfing year by playing a round or two with a 7 iron and putter to get my swing back.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Doug Sobieski

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2008, 07:39:47 PM »
Ditto on Ballyneal. Last trip out there, I played the front 9 with only 7 clubs (sans caddie, so no GPS assistance, either). The course allows you to score in so many ways, regardless of how many clubs you have.

On that 9, I managed 5 birdies (missed a 4 footer for eagle) and missed a 6th on #9 from 8 feet. I call that a LOT of fun. :)

JC Jones

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2008, 08:04:33 PM »
Not to be incendiary, but can someone explain the attraction to playing a course w/ 10 clubs or 7 clubs vs 14 clubs?

Seems to me, if you are out to learn the architecture that sure, taking a wedge and a putter to learn different shots around the greens would be beneficial.  But, if you are out to play golf, why is it "more fun" or "better" to play with fewer clubs?
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2008, 08:10:29 PM »
I play a lot of golf in the evenings during the summer with 7 clubs.  My score usually doesn't change much.

Andy Troeger

Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2008, 08:11:48 PM »
Not to be incendiary, but can someone explain the attraction to playing a course w/ 10 clubs or 7 clubs vs 14 clubs?

Seems to me, if you are out to learn the architecture that sure, taking a wedge and a putter to learn different shots around the greens would be beneficial.  But, if you are out to play golf, why is it "more fun" or "better" to play with fewer clubs?

In my case because I don't always feel like carrying the whole bag around...one club or four clubs is a lot lighter, especially after you've already walked 18. We walked the nine holes at Ballyneal in a little over an hour.

JC Jones

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2008, 08:25:18 PM »

In my case because I don't always feel like carrying the whole bag around...one club or four clubs is a lot lighter, especially after you've already walked 18. We walked the nine holes at Ballyneal in a little over an hour.

That makes sense.  I just dont understand the idea that somehow the game is better or more pure if fewer clubs are used.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Andy Troeger

Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2008, 08:29:39 PM »

In my case because I don't always feel like carrying the whole bag around...one club or four clubs is a lot lighter, especially after you've already walked 18. We walked the nine holes at Ballyneal in a little over an hour.

That makes sense.  I just dont understand the idea that somehow the game is better or more pure if fewer clubs are used.

I also wanted to prove a point once to my high school girls team, so I played their tees with them with a 6 iron a couple times. Only one of them could outdrive the 6-iron and the rest were pretty close to it off the tee, so it was a good exercise for us.

Tim Bert

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2008, 08:33:43 PM »
I'd say at the most, we all really only need every other club.  We can easily choke down or take a shorter swing to fill the gaps. 

Driver, 3iron hybrid, 5iron, 7iron, 9iron, some type of wedge, and a putter would just about replicate a full set with some minor modifications.

I'd say 7 is well equipped, 4 for some creative fun, and fewer if you can putt with a non-putter (I personally cant pull off the wedge putt or wood putt that others do in a fairly capable manner.)

Garland Bayley

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2008, 08:33:56 PM »
...I just dont understand the idea that somehow the game is better or more pure if fewer clubs are used.

There is the satisfaction of generating shots out of the normal.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Rob Rigg

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2008, 08:36:21 PM »
I prefer to play with 8 to 12 clubs depending on time of year.

Keeps the bag lighter when the back is acting up.

I also think it helps work on shot making without really hurting the score.

That is why I do not mind playing with less than 14 clubs - also growing up with a half set until I was about 14 makes it seem less "strange"

As has been mentioned, you can have some cracking rounds with only 3 or 4 clubs and it is a lot of fun. Just depends on how often you get out and where you are playing.

Brian_Sleeman

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2008, 08:41:39 PM »
I've also done a few one-club practice rounds with my boys' golf team, and it had a big impact on the way they approach a round of golf.

I've enjoyed a number of one-club rounds myself, usually walking out of the shop at the end of the day with a co-worker and playing nine with a 6-iron only.  It's a blast if you're on a course that otherwise plays a little bland, and can be extremely fun even if you're on a more difficult course.

We played the front nine of Greywalls once with full sets and both went double bogey/bogey on holes one and two.  Frustrated at the conclusion of the round, we decided to play them both over again for kicks with only six irons.  I went bogey/par and he went bogey/bogey.

It's a ton of fun if you've never tried it, and a tremendous exercise in shot-making and strategy.  Try it in a match play format and it's a blast.

Bill Shamleffer

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2008, 08:45:53 PM »
I also enjoy playing with just one club on an occassional after dinner visit to the course.  But to still feel like I am getting the full feel of the course, I want a driver (on some older shorter courses the driver can be left out and the 3 wood can be used), a putter and a sand wedge.  From there I add a fairway wood, and a few irons.   I think 6 clubs is the low end for me.  With 6 clubs I would go: driver, putter, SW, 5wood, 5iron, 8iron.  I have played a lot of golf with only 7 clubs (I like having both a PW & a SW in my bag).

I prefer to try to never play with more than 10 clubs, and I think that should be the limit in the rules.

To answer a prior post about why one prefers to play with less clubs, I prefer less clubs for the additonal challange of having to play a variety of shots.  Rather than picking the club that matches the yardage and then making the same swing all day, I enjoy having to play an "easy 5 iron" for 150 yards, or having to decide where to try to run a shot onto a green.

There are other benefits to having less clubs.  Less clubs makes buying equipment less expensive.  Less clubs, makes the bag lighter, thus easier to walk, thus again making the game less expensive.  Also, more walking means more health benefits from playing golf.
“The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet.”  Damon Runyon

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2008, 09:04:33 PM »
I wouldn't say playing with less clubs is better or more pure, just another way to play this great game we all love. 

Also, when I play with one club, I never find myself concerned with yardage at all.  Just visualize the shot and hit it. 

JC Jones

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2008, 09:05:25 PM »
...I just dont understand the idea that somehow the game is better or more pure if fewer clubs are used.

There is the satisfaction of generating shots out of the normal.


Maybe you should hit it sideways more often like me ;D  Then you get the chance to hit all kinds of different shots from all over.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Mark_Fine

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2008, 09:09:14 PM »
I play quite often carrying (with no bag) just a handful of clubs (particularly in the evenings if I go out to Lehigh with my son to play for an hour or two).  It is not a purist or macho thing.  It's just fun and it forces creative shot making.  Plus is saves my back not having to carry my bag. 

One more thing, I can't name one course that I feel I would have to have all 14 of my clubs to be comfortable playing.  If you play a lot of links golf, you know very well that 14 clubs is overrated.  It is more about feel and creativity and hitting half shots, knock down shots, etc.  Take out every other iron and a good player (most players) will be just fine!
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Doug Sobieski

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2008, 09:15:28 PM »
Not to be incendiary, but can someone explain the attraction to playing a course w/ 10 clubs or 7 clubs vs 14 clubs?


Put me in the camp of it simply being a lighter bag to carry for an extra nine or more. The MOST clubs I ever carry is 13 anyway.

Ken Moum

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2008, 09:31:21 PM »
Is there great courses that one could still play and enjoy with, say, 7 clubs? 10 clubs? 3 clubs?

And, what is it that makes it so?

Joe

On the American courses I play that have an abundance of greenside rough and bunkers it's hard for me to imagine getting by with a really small number of clubs. I have played nearly all of 2008 with 10-12 clubs and rarely felt limited.

Driver, 18* five wood, 21* seven wood, 5,7,8,9, 10 hybrids plus "normal" GW and LW, and a putter. That's 11, and has been my stock set all summer.  I currently am at 12, with a PW and SW instead of the Gap.

But on a links course where I could play it on the ground more I easily could to get around without so many wedges, and probably drop one of the irons.

I think that 7 or 8 is enough on a fast course.

K
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Sam Maryland

Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2008, 10:09:27 PM »
this reminds me of a story I heard Brett Quigley tell. 

he didn't feel like he was playing well so for whatever reason he decided that in the next round (during official play of a PGA Tour event) he would never hit the club that was called for.  meaning, if it was a 7-iron, he'd either rip and 8 or carve a 6.  did that every shot of the round, shot a low number, and went on to win a lot of money that week.  so I'd assume a half set would have been just fine as far as he was concerned.

we often talk about playing a round with2 or 3 clubs, but never actually do it for whatever reason.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Fewest number of clubs in the bag and...
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2008, 10:46:41 PM »
An older fellow in our men's club always played with only 5 or 6 clubs.  He maintained about a 8-9 handi.  He only recently started taking about 10 after knee failed him, and he is now in a cart. 

I'd really like to see one of these silly season golf events have a competition with some pros with a half bag of clubs.  It would be interesting to see which clubs various pros would select to carry and how it changes their strategy, not to mention shot making attempts.  I'd also like to see them do this reduced clubs with RTJjrs suggestion that they eliminate tees.
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