[Sean_A]

No, Mark, I'm not willing to admit that, having read accounts of the President's Putter.  I would guess that winters in Scotland are actually milder than those in England, based on my daily watching of the weather reports on BBC.  There has been all sorts of of sassenach snow this year but the scots have largely been spared.  Summer's are much nicer down south, I will agree, weatherwise at least, but that's not the topic of this thread, is it?

Have a happily gormless holiday season, you rosbif, vous!

Votre frere, Jean-Paul

Rich

Since when did anyone count on the Beeb for a weather report?  If you think the winters in Scotland are better than those in southern England (I will grant that YORKS has awful winters) than you are smoking some high quality shit.

Ciao

[Rich Goodale]

Sean

I'll bet that down in Wenige Ingerland they don't even show Scottish weather.  Don't most maps on the BBC now stop at the border with the warning "There be monsters there!" for the blank space to the north.

Rich "Sitting on his veranda sipping a Pina Colada" Goodale

[Mark Bourgeois]

I can report from ample experience little correlation between Beeb weather reports and actual weather.

The speed with which they run that time-space map convinces one it's the same damned map every day.

And guess what? It pretty much IS the same damned map every day!

As for Scotland, how many Google Earth places are shrouded in a useless fog, as Cruden Bay currently is?

No wonder England was more heavily bombed!

A Joyeaux Noel a vous, free of name calling, Cardinal Rich-elieu (you, too, Warble).

Mark

[Sean_A]

Sean

I'll bet that down in Wenige Ingerland they don't even show Scottish weather.  Don't most maps on the BBC now stop at the border with the warning "There be monsters there!" for the blank space to the north.

Rich "Sitting on his veranda sipping a Pina Colada" Goodale

Yea, I notice the weather in Scotland - though I am not sure why it is shown on our tellies because I know there really are monsters up there!  

I am not going to go through the motions Rich because I know that you know that everyone knows that England gets more sunshine, less rain and higher temps than Scotland.  I also know that the England/Scotland match in the upcoming 6 Nations is a toss-up or perhaps even Scotland is favoured.  But between you and me, I also know that you know that few touristas know that the weather averages have little meaning as like a big city, there are certain no go zones and certain to go zones if one hopes for the best weather.  

Sean" Not Smoking a Cigar on the Patio" Arble

Ciao

[Gene Greco]

CPC has no seasonal closure; please, this is California.

And one is gonna have to do very well to surpass that as the answer to this question.

However I do believe one right down the road gives it a go, if this is meant to be CLUBS, not courses... I think I'd take MPCC if it is about clubs (two great courses instead of one being the largest reason).

TH

   When reading this I immediately said to myself this thread ends at one reply. However, one must strongly consider Riviera as well. Anyway you look at it California is the place to be for twelve months of golf.

[Rich Goodale]

Sean

I'll bet that down in Wenige Ingerland they don't even show Scottish weather.  Don't most maps on the BBC now stop at the border with the warning "There be monsters there!" for the blank space to the north.

Rich "Sitting on his veranda sipping a Pina Colada" Goodale

Yea, I notice the weather in Scotland - though I am not sure why it is shown on our tellies because I know there really are monsters up there!  

I am not going to go through the motions Rich because I know that you know that everyone knows that England gets more sunshine, less rain and higher temps than Scotland.  I also know that the England/Scotland match in the upcoming 6 Nations is a toss-up or perhaps even Scotland is favoured.  But between you and me, I also know that you know that few touristas know that the weather averages have little meaning as like a big city, there are certain no go zones and certain to go zones if one hopes for the best weather.  

Sean" Not Smoking a Cigar on the Patio" Arble

Ciao

Sean

Check out the following link:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20081213/tuk-homes-and-roads-hit-by-flash-floods-6323e80.html

At least today it's far more pleasant and safe to be in Scotland than England, unless you are a sheep.  Maybe that's why they are always so nervous up here....

PS--anybody who thinks that Monterrey (CPC) is hunky dory weather-wise all year round should be sentenced to watching replays of past Crosby/AT&T's.  The golf is great but the weather on the middle coast of california is just OK.  Great views, though.

[tlavin]

1. LACC
2. LACC
3. LACC
4. LACC
5. LACC

[Jed Peters]

I think i'd have to go with MPCC--it is pretty much unsurpassed as far as facilities (the two practice facilities, the restaurants, the house that you can use on the ocean for dinner parties, etc.), courses, location.

[PCCraig]

What would be the best 12-month "2nd home" club??

For example...if you lived in the north, where would be the best place to have a home on/near a course that could be played year round?

I would then say maybe Pinehurst (Forest Creek) or Bermuda (Mid Ocean).

I wouldn't pick anything too far south of NC because it starts to get way too hot in the summer months (IE Florida summer heat)

[Tony_Muldoon]

Sean reading this, I was just thinking it's time to call for the men in white coats to take Rich away, when I recalled a conversation I had with him at a Buda convention.


I told him that one of my Godsons (from London)  had just completed a year at Edinburgh University and loved everything about it...apart form the winter!  Dark for 20 hours a day and cold, bluidy cold.  He replied that the natives got through the winters by having indoor parties, drinking and socialising.  I just conclude that Hicr started a little early today.


While east Kent maybe the driest part of GB&I, Rich is right that when the wind is from the continent they can get snow.  That has never stopped the Presidents Putter and anyway the accounts he's read of were before we started to enjoy the benefits of Global Warming.


The South Coast enjoys an enviable climate and although Bournemouth has no Links, Hayling Islanders certainly enjoy 12 month golf. (Cornwell is too wet!).

[Mark Pearce]

I'm with Rich on this.  It may be a bit warmer down there, and the price Northerners pay for those wonderful long summer evenings is longer winter nights, but the East Coast of Scotland seems more sheltered and drier than the grey, dull and soggy South East in winter.

[Tony_Muldoon]

Mark put down that glass now!  You've just spent to long up north.  Even 11 year olds know the facts.

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/weather/aroundbritain.htm

In London I've been cold,...and then I went to Newcastle!

[Mark Pearce]

Tony,

They know a thing or two, these kids:

Northeast England, is the coolest in the country. Relatively dry all year.

It wasn't relatively dry today, though, I can report.  It was bl**dy miserable.

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

I guess one does have to give that west coast lifestyle its due. CPC, SFGC, LACC, Olympic, Valley, MPCC, Meadow Club, Cal Club, Riviera CC, Belair CC are up there before one even talks most of Texas, La, Miss, South Alabama, South Georgia and non Yankee Florida.  I do not think Dallas and Ft Worth are true 12 months even though they have less than 30 days not fit for golf ie temps above 55. Mountain Lake is 12 months by the by.

[Anthony_Nysse]

75 degrees here today, 39 for the high tomorrow...not the best 12 month weather for golf....

Tony Nysse
Asst. Supt.
Colonial Cc
Ft. Worth, TX
 

[hick]

It is hard not to put LA or San Fran  at the top of the list and the clubs in those areas .That being said,  living in Rhode Island i can fly from Boston to Bermuda in two hours and the weather is not to cold or hot.  Mid Ocean is my winner.

[Greg Tallman]

Chuck,
  Colonial remains open year round, even in the middle of the hot, Texas summers. We have a small group of regulars that like to play early in the morning, prior to the extreme heat. 3 weeks prior to the tournament in May, guests are not allow out to play and the course is quite slow during the week, which is nice so that we can get alot of work done without being disturbed.

Tony Nysse
Asst. Supt.
Colonial CC
Ft. Worth, TX

Nothing normal about Fergie and his crew!

[Sean_A]

Mark put down that glass now!  You've just spent to long up north.  Even 11 year olds know the facts.

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/weather/aroundbritain.htm

In London I've been cold,...and then I went to Newcastle!

Tony

Can you believe this lot trying to peddle snake oil to snake oil salesmen?  The cheek!

Ciao

[Kevin Pallier]

Does Muirfield use mats ? I saw it a couple of times including winter and cant recall it's use there.

If I could play Royal Melbourne (Composite) year round I'd nominate it but instead will say Kingston Heath. NSW and Barnbougle Dunes I'd suggest have some days where they are virtually "unplayable" due to the winds ?

[Garland Bayley]

Part of the reason I suggested The Dormie Club is the proximity to that resort down the road which would provide an alternative place to play.

I don't know how that resort down the road got suggested as a club to join for 12-month golf.

[Carl Nichols]

I don't think anywhere on the East Coast can compare to California, but what's Kiawah like in the summer?  It's got two fairly well-regarded private courses -- Cassique and River -- plus the Ocean Course of course, which I suspect remains relatively playable in the summer because of the breeze. 

[John Moore II]

Part of the reason I suggested The Dormie Club is the proximity to that resort down the road which would provide an alternative place to play.

I don't know how that resort down the road got suggested as a club to join for 12-month golf.

Why would Pinehurst Country Club not be considered for the 12 month club? They have memberships there, so long as you live within the Village of Pinehurst. They have a full scale members club with dining, 6 courses, etc., etc.

I don't think anywhere on the East Coast can compare to California, but what's Kiawah like in the summer?  It's got two fairly well-regarded private courses -- Cassique and River -- plus the Ocean Course of course, which I suspect remains relatively playable in the summer because of the breeze. 

Kiawah is likely hot as fire in the summer. At least Parris Island was, which is somewhat nearby. And the bugs would be nearly unbearable without a fairly stout breeze.

[Garland Bayley]

Part of the reason I suggested The Dormie Club is the proximity to that resort down the road which would provide an alternative place to play.

I don't know how that resort down the road got suggested as a club to join for 12-month golf.

Why would Pinehurst Country Club not be considered for the 12 month club? They have memberships there, so long as you live within the Village of Pinehurst. They have a full scale members club with dining, 6 courses, etc., etc.

Since I always thought it was a resort, I didn't know they have memberships. The example clubs given were quite private, so I guess Pinehurst is somewhat disimilar in that respect.

Besides, one has to poke a little fun at someone that would stoop to playing golf with Kalen.

[Matthew Hunt]

Just like to add to this thread that St Andrews is the driest place in the UK!

[Mike Vegis @ Kiawah]

Part of the reason I suggested The Dormie Club is the proximity to that resort down the road which would provide an alternative place to play.

I don't know how that resort down the road got suggested as a club to join for 12-month golf.

Why would Pinehurst Country Club not be considered for the 12 month club? They have memberships there, so long as you live within the Village of Pinehurst. They have a full scale members club with dining, 6 courses, etc., etc.

I don't think anywhere on the East Coast can compare to California, but what's Kiawah like in the summer?  It's got two fairly well-regarded private courses -- Cassique and River -- plus the Ocean Course of course, which I suspect remains relatively playable in the summer because of the breeze. 

Kiawah is likely hot as fire in the summer. At least Parris Island was, which is somewhat nearby. And the bugs would be nearly unbearable without a fairly stout breeze.

Kiawah is a good 10 degrees cooler than downtown Charleston during the summer because it's right on the ocean so there's always a nice breeze to cool things down.  That's going to be great for the 2012 PGA Championship.  Not near as hot as other past sites of Majors.

I've been here for 10 year but I've lived in other areas of the east course (10 years in DC and 10 in the Miami/Palm Beach area).  Kiawah is far more comfortable than those two by far.  DC doesn't have a breeze and, in the summer, it rains all the time in Florida. 

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