[Anthony Gray]

I'm afraid this thing was over on Toms reply #1.

For best year round weather, and quality courses I don't see how MPCC or CPC can be beat.

   Kalen,

  California better than the Caribean in the winter?

   Anthony

[Kalen Braley]

Well,

If yearly hurricanes and high humidity with high temps in the summer is "good" weather, then maybe we won't agree. 

[Anthony Gray]

  Kalen,

  The awesome thing about the hurricanes is that you can play your knockdown shots. It's like playing in Scotland but with palm trees around. You just can't get that in Cali.

  Anthony

[Andy Troeger]

I haven't played many of the other options, but I'll stick with Kalen and Tom and go with CPC, especially if I'm lucky enough to see MPCC when I wander down the street. Can I play Pebble too? 

[K. Krahenbuhl]

  Kalen,

  The awesome thing about the hurricanes is that you can play your knockdown shots. It's like playing in Scotland but with palm trees around. You just can't get that in Cali.

  Anthony

There isn't much awesome about hurricanes.  Other than that TX has a few good options, but I'd imagine they don't compete with the likes of MPCC/CPC.

[Ed Oden]

Yeaman's Hall.

Chip, while Yeamans is technically open during the summer (although I believe the clubhouse is closed), few dare to play then.  The steamy conditions are bad enough.  The BUGS are even worse!  I absolutely love Yeamans.  But I can't even begin to describe how miserable these flesh eating monsters can be.  They will literally and figuratively drive you insane.  Strangely, these bugs are a Yeamans phenomenon and not found at other places I have played in the Charleston area.

Ed

[John Moore II]

Yeaman's Hall.

Chip, while Yeamans is technically open during the summer (although I believe the clubhouse is closed), few dare to play then.  The steamy conditions are bad enough.  The BUGS are even worse!  I absolutely love Yeamans.  But I can't even begin to describe how miserable these flesh eating monsters can be.  They will literally and figuratively drive you insane.  Strangely, these bugs are a Yeamans phenomenon and not found at other places I have played in the Charleston area.

Ed

Why lad, I think you may be talking about the dreaded Sand Flea. They're the torture of many a recruit at Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island just down the road in Beaufort. Trust me, you just don't understand the real torture sand fleas can be until you have to stand at attention on the parade deck during an inspection or something while those little bastards bite you on the face and arms and any other exposed skin. Trust me, Yeamans is not nearly as bad.



Also, wheres the love for Pinehurst? 6 courses, one top notch course to compete with any others really, and 5 more to take up the time. Hey, for my money, I'd take Pinehurst over any of the rest.

[Bill_McBride]

Valley Club of Montecito

Pasatiempo

LACC

There's really no other part of the country that is truly 12 month.  The Southeast is brutal in the summer, the Northeast equally bad in the winter.  The Midwest has two bad seasons.   The Northwest has no great golf and lots of rain in the winter.

Monterey and San Francisco have too much fog and some rain.

Talk about picky.......

[J_ Crisham]

John,   Didn't it snow or sleet in Pinehurst today?  Hard to compare the courses in Pinehurst with those on the Monterey Pen.  The scenic beauty of CPC or MPCC is unsurpassed. The area receives about 20 inches of moisture a year and it is mostly during a concentrated time period.  Hard to beat 65-70 degrees yearround.             Jack

[John Moore II]

John,   Didn't it snow or sleet in Pinehurst today?  Hard to compare the courses in Pinehurst with those on the Monterey Pen.  The scenic beauty of CPC or MPCC is unsurpassed. The area receives about 20 inches of moisture a year and it is mostly during a concentrated time period.  Hard to beat 65-70 degrees yearround.            
Jack

Yeah, I get that, but people are talking about Texas and the Caribbean as well. It gets hot as fire in those places as well. Plus, at Pinehurst, you have the option of 6 different courses, and other than #6, I would say they are all interesting, thought provoking courses. The quality of #2 is well known, and is equal to anything at Monterey other than CPC in every way but 'looks.'

Not sure if it sleeted or snowed today, I haven't seen a report. But in Raleigh, it was mid-50's and sunny; I see no way it was too much different in Pinehurst. Even if it did snow, it didn't stay and the courses were playable.

I would say overall, there are only 8-10 days of any given year where you simply CAN'T play. That doesn't include days for overseeding and aerification which exist at all courses (aerification days anyway, I understand not all courses overseed). For shear volume of different courses to play, I'd take Pinehurst.

Plus, we are asking about individual club, not 'well, I can be here and play these other (totally seperate) clubs down the road if I'm bored.'

[Ed Oden]

John, I didn't mean to imply that the bugs were only at Yeamans.  But they are far worse there than at other courses I have played in the area.  And its not only the sand fleas (or no-see-ums).  There are also larger horse flies and swarms of gnats, particularly on the holes running along the marsh.  Regardless, I'll take your word that Parris Island trumps Yeamans in spades.

Ed

[Andy Troeger]

If we're going to include places that are basically resorts--how long is it going to take someone to mention Bandon?

[Jeff Fortson]

When weather is included into the discussion it becomes Riviera for me.  It rarely gets too cold or wet.  A week here or there of bad weather is all you deal with all year.  Plus the wind is rarely unplayable.


Jeff F.

[Rich Goodale]

If weather is the main criterion, it's hard to beat Hawaii and Wailiae (sp?) is good if not great course and a very good club.

And Chuck....

....Scotland is very much a year around playable place, particularly if your club is a links course.  Daylight is an issue, but since play is so brisk when the turistas are not here even clubs as far north as Dornoch can get 50+ players around in the 6 hours of daylight this time of year.  And, with annual memberships at <$1,000/year, the value for money can't be beat!

[Tim Gavrich]

If we're going to include places that are basically resorts--how long is it going to take someone to mention Bandon?

...or Kapalua, for that matter?  Isn't Hawaii the epitome of year-round good weather consistency?  What about Nanea or Kuki'o, then?

[Gerry B]

the obvious warm weather places such as indian creek, yeamans, mid ocean, calusa, arizona,  etc are great for 8 months of the year  but the summer heat can be opressive, therefore i would favour a more temperate year round climate

the bay area down to so cal would be my preferences therefore:

cypress point
mpcc
san francisco gc
olympic
riviera
valley club
bel air
lacc

would be my choices

and i would have no problem with bandon either except jaan / feb might be little extreme

[Mark Pearce]

....Scotland is very much a year around playable place, particularly if your club is a links course.  Daylight is an issue, but since play is so brisk when the turistas are not here even clubs as far north as Dornoch can get 50+ players around in the 6 hours of daylight this time of year.  And, with annual memberships at <$1,000/year, the value for money can't be beat!

Thanks for putting Chuck right on this one.  All the Scottish courses I know play through the year, Crail even maintains a competition diary right through the Winter.  Links courses are ideal for winter golf.

[Chris Kane]

I agree Mark.  My view is that January is the best month to play The Old Course, because on most days there are only 4-8 groups on the ballot, so you can turn up whenever you want and just walk on!

[Sam Maryland]

Chip,

I concur, Yeaman's was this first course that came to my mind...

[Grant Saunders]

Probably not a club, but Cape Kidnappers located in Napier NZ has some pretty stable weather.

The stats for Napier are:

-Average summer temp: 24 degrees celsius (75 Fahrenheit)
-Average winter temp: 13 degrees celsius (55 Fahrenheit)
-Average annual sunshine hours: 2188

This makes for some pretty good golfing

[Sean_A]

The best links tend to also be the best in the winter.  This is also where the heathland courses drop off as competitors.  They drain well for inland courses, but they are nowhere near as well drained as a links.  However, one does get the added binus of being off the sea in the winter where it can be more tolerable from a weather respect.  That said, I haven't encountered winter weather in the UK which is too cold for golf, but I have on occasion been glad to return to the house.  Without the benefit of having played in California, I would say St Enodoc is awfully tough to beat.  Sandwich is another that couldn't possibly be considered disappointing in the winter.

Ciao   

[Mark Bourgeois]

....Scotland is very much a year around playable place, particularly if your club is a links course.  Daylight is an issue, but since play is so brisk when the turistas are not here even clubs as far north as Dornoch can get 50+ players around in the 6 hours of daylight this time of year.  And, with annual memberships at <$1,000/year, the value for money can't be beat!

Thanks for putting Chuck right on this one.  All the Scottish courses I know play through the year, Crail even maintains a competition diary right through the Winter.  Links courses are ideal for winter golf.

Golf in (Southern) Scotland was born as a winter game.

But aren't you slowed by dragging mats around?

[Rich Goodale]

Mats are rare, Mark (e.g. it is only the Old Course that requires them at St. Andrews--New, Eden, Jubilee, etc. are off the bare skin, is it were....).  Even at those places which require mats, all you have to do is kick your ball into the (wispy winter) rough and play away from there.

[Mark Bourgeois]

Cruden Bay apparently requires it, not that this is the point of the thread.

Honestly, Rich, wouldn't you agree English links are better for year-round than Scottish? Not getting into greatness etc but just year-round *enjoyable* playability.

[Rich Goodale]

No, Mark, I'm not willing to admit that, having read accounts of the President's Putter.  I would guess that winters in Scotland are actually milder than those in England, based on my daily watching of the weather reports on BBC.  There has been all sorts of of sassenach snow this year but the scots have largely been spared.  Summer's are much nicer down south, I will agree, weatherwise at least, but that's not the topic of this thread, is it?

Have a happily gormless holiday season, you rosbif, vous!

Votre frere, Jean-Paul

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