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Chuck Brown

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Best 12-month golf club
« on: December 12, 2008, 06:06:23 PM »
As winter settles in on the Midwest and Northeast, and as we close in on the shortest day of the year, I wonder what might rank as the best 12-month, year-round-play golf club in the U.S.?  In the world?  Some of the obvious world's best golf courses are automatically excluded by weather and by seasonal closures:  Seminole, ANGC, Pine Valley, NGL, Shinnecock, Merion: sorry -- you're all out this time.

SFGC comes to mind, along with CPC, naturally.  (Does Cypress have a seasonal closure?)  Riviera and the Valley Club must be strong candidates.  I suppose there may be some Florida clubs -- Calusa Pines? -- that are open year-round, and perhaps some in the Carolinas -- CC of Charleston? -- that have the weather to do it.  Texas?

In the UK, I can't imagine that there are any clubs north of about Manchester or Leeds that can lay serious claim to year-round play, even though there are probably some insane Scots and Irish that play in any weather, even if they barely get enough sunlight in a day for golf.  Having lived a winter in London, I am willing to allow that those clubs would qualify.  St. George's Hill?  Wentworth?

Royal Melbourne?

Your turn.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 06:49:28 PM by Chuck Brown »

Tom Huckaby

Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2008, 06:11:09 PM »
CPC has no seasonal closure; please, this is California.

And one is gonna have to do very well to surpass that as the answer to this question.

However I do believe one right down the road gives it a go, if this is meant to be CLUBS, not courses... I think I'd take MPCC if it is about clubs (two great courses instead of one being the largest reason).

TH

Chuck Brown

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 06:36:27 PM »
CPC has no seasonal closure; please, this is California.

And one is gonna have to do very well to surpass that as the answer to this question.

However I do believe one right down the road gives it a go, if this is meant to be CLUBS, not courses... I think I'd take MPCC if it is about clubs (two great courses instead of one being the largest reason).

TH
Tom, I think you may be right and I was hoping that it might be a more interesting contest than that.  MPCC is a great nominee, too.

Also -- and I think this is very important -- I have several free weekends available in February in order to adjudicate fair results in this thread...

Chip Gaskins

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 06:37:57 PM »
Tom, do I hint of a West Coast bias ;D

Peechtree maybe.  Yeaman's Hall.

Joe Hancock

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 06:44:00 PM »
I'm curious why Calusa Pines qualifies but Seminole doesn't.

Joe
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Peter Ferlicca

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 06:45:08 PM »
My vote would go for LACC, if you could put up with the daily traffic and LA lifestyle.  It does not get much better than perfect sunny Socal days on a 36 hole George Thomas club.

Mark Bourgeois

Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 06:47:16 PM »
Fla, Ga, SC: you could play year round, but the late-summer heat is an absolute killer, plus the regular p.m. thunderstorms are the equivalent of frost delays, yes?

Doesn't Monterey get yucky weather in the winter, a la the Clambake?

Is the question, what's open year round or what offers the best playability year round?

Chuck Brown

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2008, 06:47:23 PM »
I'm curious why Calusa Pines qualifies but Seminole doesn't.

Joe
Oh, good question, Joe.  Seminole quite famously closes down all summer.  In fact, it's not a very long season at Seminole at all.  Somebody will remind me of the exact dates of their season; it is short enough that Bob Ford can stay at Oakmont all through the spring, summer and most of the fall.

Calusa, I am not certain, is open year-round?  Yes?

Mark Bourgeois

Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2008, 06:49:16 PM »
My vote would go for LACC, if you could put up with the daily traffic and LA lifestyle.  It does not get much better than perfect sunny Socal days on a 36 hole George Thomas club.

Yes.

What about Casa de Campo?  It gets somewhat hot in the summer, not as bad as SE US.  On the other hand, you might have to evac from hurricanes.

London weather is pretty much equally bad all year round, so those are candidates.  But it comes down to location: the course needs to be on a heath, otherwise it will be too soggy in wintertime.

Melbourne Sand Belt courses are "playable" year round but whether you'd want to go out in really hot or really cold weather, as they get sometimes, is an open question.

Sydney might be a better choice, certainly for "winter."

On the other hand, if you're playing somewhere like Royal Melbourne, Cypress Point or LACC, you might be happier playing in crap weather there than in good weather somewhere else.

Mark
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Chris Kane

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 06:58:01 PM »
Melbourne Sand Belt courses are "playable" year round but whether you'd want to go out in really hot or really cold weather, as they get sometimes, is an open question.

There are around half a dozen days a year where its hot enough to be unpleasant for golf.  There is no such thing as a really cold day in Melbourne.

Joe Hancock

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 06:58:42 PM »
Thanks, Chuck. I probably heard that before, but it obviously slipped my mind.

Joe
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Mark Bourgeois

Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 07:10:04 PM »
Melbourne Sand Belt courses are "playable" year round but whether you'd want to go out in really hot or really cold weather, as they get sometimes, is an open question.

There are around half a dozen days a year where its hot enough to be unpleasant for golf.  There is no such thing as a really cold day in Melbourne.

Chris

Sorry, yes I meant "really cold" as in 5C degrees and raining! And RM has relaxed its policy on trousers only, hasn't it?

Mark

Chris Kane

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2008, 07:21:13 PM »
And RM has relaxed its policy on trousers only, hasn't it?

Yes.

Tim Leahy

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 07:29:54 PM »
what about Phil's club, the Bridges at Rancho Sante Fe in San Diego county or Rancho Sante Fe CC? I lived in SD for two years and it rained a total of 2 days. How about Torrey Pines? Or are muni's out. ::)
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Matthew Mollica

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 07:36:42 PM »

It's gotta be Royal Melbourne. The weather down here is never a great worry. If you don't like it - wait 5 minutes and it'll be different!  :D

As Chris says, it's rarely really hot and never really cold.

MM
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Joel Zuckerman

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2008, 07:46:35 PM »
I would add Secession Club in Beaufort, SC to this list.  Closed almost all of June, and for three weeks in September for overseeding, but otherwise open the remaining 45--odd weeks of the year.

Steamy in summer, certainly, but the breeze rarely abates, and makes things quite tolerable.

Garland Bayley

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2008, 07:54:09 PM »
How about the Dormie club as best future 12 month golf club. After all, our benefactor might even give us access year around.
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Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2008, 08:01:17 PM »
Calusa Pines closes from July 1st-October 1st an Seminole opens around November 1st and closes around the 15th of May, as does RedStick in Vero Beach.
 Joel-Since Secession renovated in 2007 and planted Mini Verde on the greens, I know that they do not overseed them.

Tony Nysse
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Willie_Dow

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2008, 08:05:46 PM »
Yeah !  I'd join the Dormie Club, if I could put my flag on the cart ?

Chuck Brown

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2008, 08:07:32 PM »
Thank you Tony; that answers the question I had about Calusa Pines.  I can't say thaqt I am surprised, only that I have had occasion to be in Naples in warm-weather months and, while very hot, Calusa is just barely close  enough to the Gulf to get a little bit of cooling breeze.  But of course why stay open if all the members are back in Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Wisconsin, etc.?
How about your course?  When is it unplayable?

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2008, 08:53:07 PM »
Chuck,
  Colonial remains open year round, even in the middle of the hot, Texas summers. We have a small group of regulars that like to play early in the morning, prior to the extreme heat. 3 weeks prior to the tournament in May, guests are not allow out to play and the course is quite slow during the week, which is nice so that we can get alot of work done without being disturbed.

Tony Nysse
Asst. Supt.
Colonial CC
Ft. Worth, TX
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

John Moore II

Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2008, 08:55:04 PM »
Folks, I'm going to say Pinehurst Country Club. Great members club with dining. The spa. Learning Center. Great Pro shop. 6 courses included as part of the basic membership, with option to add #7 for a small fee. Tennis club. Tennis pro shop. The beach club. Thats a lot of stuff around for the golfer, the businessman, and the family. Not to mention, one certain world class course, another that is top 100 in several lists, and the other 4 for additional variety. Not to mention, if you for some reason get bored with the 6 or 7 courses, you've got 50 more within 45 minutes drive. So for me, I's take Pinehurst.

David_Elvins

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2008, 08:56:47 PM »
Passatiempo would go alright year round, wouldn't it?

Royal Melbourne was have a large degree of average weather, not many perfect golfing days but not many horrid ones, either.
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Anthony Gray

Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2008, 09:03:02 PM »

  Casa De Campo has the most consistant weather all year round. But I used to spend xmas at Pebble and it was always nice. The most suprising thing is at The Lodge there is no air conditioning.

   Anthony


Kalen Braley

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Re: Best 12-month golf club
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2008, 09:11:15 PM »
I'm afraid this thing was over on Toms reply #1.

For best year round weather, and quality courses I don't see how MPCC or CPC can be beat.

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