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Norbert P

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Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« on: December 04, 2008, 07:35:29 PM »
Alistair Tait          (The following is from an article he wrote recently)

 !!! Please go to http://www.golfweek.com/story/tait-120208   so that you can see and buy from all the adds that are paying his wages.  !!!  I urge you to keep the economy strong.  And maybe go out and buy a Dodge.

Annoyed in America
I’ve just returned from my annual trip to the United States. Every year I’m struck by the difference between British and American golf. This year was no different.

After six rounds in the U.S. this year, Bobby Jones’ famous words about playing “a game with which I am not familiar” have never been truer. Here are just a few generalizations between golf in the new and old worlds.

Peculiarities of American golf

• Cart paths only – I had the chance to play PGA National on my trip. We got to play the Honda Classic course, only to be told it was strictly cart paths only. I took a caddie so I could walk, but I watched as colleagues trudged from cart to ball and back, sometimes walking nearly 200 yards when their balls were as far from the carts as possible. On several occasions I saw colleagues get fed up and take golf bags off the carts, resigning themselves to walking. You don’t see signs that say “cart paths only” in the British Isles because, thankfully, carts are few and far between. So there aren’t many cart paths.

• The 90-degree rule – Tell a British golfer that the 90-degree rule is in effect and you’ll get a blank look. Since we don’t have carts and paths, there’s no need for a rule that says you drive on the cart path adjacent to your ball and then turn 90 degrees to your ball.

• Bag drops – Bag drops seem to be a North American invention. I’m perfectly capable of carrying my bag from my car to the clubhouse, yet it seems to be something many North American golfers can’t do. A few years ago I visited Trump International in West Palm Beach, Fla. I was told to leave my bag at the bag drop, and then didn’t see it for another 25 minutes. Normally that wouldn’t have bothered me but it curtailed my warm up time. It was hard to hit practice balls since I couldn’t get hold of my clubs. Some clubs in the British Isles have bag drops but generally if you mention the words “bag drop” someone will think your bag has fallen over.

• No you can’t walk – The walking issue is an annual thing for me. I played six rounds in the U.S.; four times I walked, but only twice was it actually permitted. Once I had a caddie, another time we were allowed to walk because it was after 2:30 p.m.. The other two I did it sneakily. Once I rode shotgun on the cart until half way down the first fairway, then got off and carried my bag until halfway down the 18th where I got back on board. The final time I left my bag on the cart and walked, letting my playing companion drive. The irony is that I wasn’t permitted to walk PGA National unless I had a caddie. Yet I began each morning with a brisk walk. Where did I walk? On the golf course. So I could walk the course for exercise but couldn’t do it with a 30-pound bag on my back. Go figure!

• Golfers with towels tucked in belts – I see American golfers with little towels tucked into the belts of their shorts or trousers all the time, as if they are just about to dry the dishes. Of course since they have to play in carts, U.S. golfers carry towels to wipe balls on greens. We don’t need this, ahem, sartorial accouterment since we can carry our bags and so have access to bag towels at all times.

Peculiarities of British Golf

• Buy your own tees – We have to pay for tees in the British Isles while they get handed out in the U.S. as if they were confetti. I have no shame in saying that I load up on tees when I’m in the U.S. Often you can pick up three or four on each tee. Having to pay for tees rankles me for some reason.

• Jacket and ties only – One of the things I love about playing golf in the U.S. is the casual attitude. We’re a bit more formal over here. We still have clubhouses where you can’t enter some rooms without a jacket and tie. Traditionalists will say this goes with the idea of golf being gentleman’s game, but I still can’t get my head around getting dressed up to enjoy a drink after 18 holes.

• Knee-high socks – Another anachronism is the continuing addiction to knee high socks at many traditional British clubs. Such establishments seem to think a man’s calf muscles are obscene, so they force players to wear the equivalent of soccer socks to play golf. Two words: No way!

• Tees of the day – British clubs seem to think the back tee markers are hallowed ground. Many clubs operate a “tees of the day” policy and force everyone, especially visitors, to play off these even if that means having to play a golf course reduced by 500 yards. U.S. courses are much more liberal in this area, which is as it should be.

• Where’s the cart girl? – There isn’t one, is the easy answer. I sometimes can’t go more than three holes in the States without a girl on a food cart calling out, “You okay?” Maybe since we don’t have cart paths then there are very few cart girls, or maybe American golfers just need to eat more than British players.

Posted: 12/2/2008

Just curious what customs and vices are out there that irk us. 
« Last Edit: December 04, 2008, 07:56:51 PM by Slag Bandoon »
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C. Sturges

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2008, 08:08:14 PM »
I would have to agree with AT.  I think most of his points are true.  When I went to the UK, I took jacket and tie.  This through off most of my hosts who said most Americans do not and get angry they can not use all the facility.  I know none of us would make that mistake, but I met and played with many who did.
His other point I like is with the bag drop.  Any time an employee touches your bag they are ready to put there hand out for a tip.   Am I just cheap?

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2008, 08:14:43 PM »
When we played at Koehler, we unloaded our bags ourselves in the parking lot and walked up to the shop.  Same at Arcadia, same at Bandon.  Bag drop is something for which I have little time.  At Treetops, I gave a tip to a club-cleaning kid (he was faster on the draw than I) who smirked and chuckled at its apparent flimsiness.  Just not my style.
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mike_beene

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2008, 10:12:18 PM »
A few years ago I was at Pinehurst with some business associates and felt I had to ride #2 since they were.Of course it is paths only,as it should be if they are going to allow carts.Somewhere on the back nine of a very slow round I hit a tee ball in opposite rough.No idea where but 60 yards from cart.To save time took my bag with me.A marshal shows up not to tell us he is telling group ahead to speed up but to tell me I am not allowed to put my bag on my shoulder.I did not enjoy the rest of my trip.Typical Club Corp crap.

JESII

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2008, 10:08:54 AM »
I wonder if there is a soul that would deny that golf is markedly different in the States as compared to Great Britian...


Can't argue with any of his points, but I would suggest next year he do a little advance work on where to play with his priority of walking with a caddy at the top of the list...I think he'll be pleased with what he finds...


Mark Chaplin

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2008, 10:27:27 AM »
Alistair Tait seems to have a beef with the jacket and tie rule which applies at less than 10% of UK courses. I can never understand why people moan about attire and long socks, if you don't like the rules play elsewhere, simple.
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Kirk Gill

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 12:15:50 PM »
If I am to play at a course, of course I will respect their rules and their wishes. And why not? Still, I may not like some particular rule, etc. Tait didn't call out any specific clubs, he just made his feelings known on a general level. Telling him he should just play elsewhere is silly. People are entitled to their opinion, so long as they aren't being an ass about it.

So on that note, I can't stand the bag drop thing. It just seems silly. I don't like finishing up a round and having someone snag my clubs and begin washing them without asking me. I feel the same way about someone on the street washing my windshield. I find it awkward and uncomfortable, especially if I don't happen to have any bills in my pocket for a tip. And I'm okay with cleaning my own clubs, thank you very much. Hope I'm not being an ass about this...........
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Mark Chaplin

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2008, 05:24:26 AM »
Kirk - I'm a member of a club that has standards set by the membership, unlike the majority of top 50 clubs in the country we allow visitor play most days including weekends, if there are no events on. All I'm saying is if you do not like the rules or want to conform to them then do not visit. If you do conform you will be made very welcome and hopefully have a good days sport.

What am I meant to say? Come along wearing holed jeans, a baseball cap in the clubhouse and smoke where ever you like.

I've had the discussion with Mr Tait early in the year when he wrote in a US publication, I pointed out that the main difference between the UK and the US is with a greenfee you can play 99.9% of courses.
Cave Nil Vino

Sam Morrow

Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2008, 07:58:04 AM »
A few years ago I was at Pinehurst with some business associates and felt I had to ride #2 since they were.Of course it is paths only,as it should be if they are going to allow carts.Somewhere on the back nine of a very slow round I hit a tee ball in opposite rough.No idea where but 60 yards from cart.To save time took my bag with me.A marshal shows up not to tell us he is telling group ahead to speed up but to tell me I am not allowed to put my bag on my shoulder.I did not enjoy the rest of my trip.Typical Club Corp crap.

It's stories like this that convince me that marshals are the most worthless people in the world. I'm fortunate that my course has a few good ones but most are cheapskates who want free golf and a powertrip once a week.

Robert Thompson

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2008, 10:33:06 AM »
I'm with him on the ridiculous tee requirements in Scotland. Why show a handicap card at the Old Course that demonstrates you are a 3 (as I was on my first visit) and then tell the golfer they can only play from 6,300 yards, taking a lot of the hazards entirely out of play? I recall playing Murcar on that trip and asking what tees we were to play. The chap in the pro shop seemed perplexed. "You're a paying guest -- play where you'd like," he replied. Didn't see that too often and I admit it bothered me since guest fees were often clearly funding the costs associated with the clubs in question.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2008, 11:20:29 AM »
I found his article to be a boiler-plate piece of crap, to be honest.  It didn't really tell me much new than the "tee of the day" plopper...what a ridiculous notion.  Hopefully we won't get this article again for another two-three years, by which time we'll all be a bit closer to senility.
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mike_beene

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2008, 01:09:25 PM »
Robert,I am with you on that.It is the only thing I dont like about Scottish golf.One of the great things about Kingsbarns is you can play from back.Carnoustie seems to be generous about not cutting too much of course.TOC really cheats some holes up that dont need it,like 9 and 12.

Sean_A

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2008, 06:33:10 PM »
The one aspect, and easily the most important difference imo, not mentioned by Tait, is that visitors can play private clubs in the UK.  I think it is so much accepted that folks don't realize how much of a privilege this is.  If they did fully understand it they wouldn't complain about the rules.  I would never consider doing a decent length trip in The States playing exclusively public clubs because I know the associated frustrations with this sort of thing.  I am very happy to pay a bit over the odds to gain access to a private club so I can get around quite happily in 3.5 hours tops - taking time out for pix.  Not only that, but this fee (or one slightly higher) gives you access for the day.  In my book, this IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE.  The rest of the stuff is fluff in comparison.

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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2008, 06:35:13 PM »
Now that's an excellent point.  It's been stated before, but I never tire of it.
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~~~~Sleepy Hollow
~~~~~Montauk Downs
~~~~~~Sunken Meadow
~~~~~~~Some other, posh joints ;)

Chris Kane

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Re: Alistair Tait - Annoyed in America
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2008, 07:02:16 PM »
Why show a handicap card at the Old Course that demonstrates you are a 3 (as I was on my first visit) and then tell the golfer they can only play from 6,300 yards, taking a lot of the hazards entirely out of play?

Showing the handicap card isn't about demonstrating you're a 3, or 13, its about demonstrating that you hold a handicap within the limit.

I find it truly extraordinary that Americans complain about being asked to play from a particular set of tees when they visit Britain (or Australia).  If a Brit tried to access American courses on the same terms as Americans access British courses, they wouldn't be playing at all.  They should be happy that they're even permitted through the gates.