[TX Golf]

The Powder Horn in Wyoming has 27 holes, and from what I can remember it flowed quite well and was a very very enjoyable course. I actually went to a golf camp there when I was younger. Wyoming and golf camps aren't usually two things that you hear in the same sentence.

Robert

[PCCraig]

TCC-Brookline

27 holes on the property, there is a "member" course and a "champ" course.

Pat:
The Championship course is a composite course that is not available for daily play and is only used for Major Championships.  The 18 Hole "Member" course you refer to is the Clyde course.  The other 9 hole course is the Primrose course.
Best
Dave

In the two years I was a caddy at TCC while in College members would venture off and play the Champ "composite" course quite often, granted on a busy Saturday morning its wasn't common. However on a normal week day I would say 30% of members and their guests would go from the 8th green to the 11th tee.

[John Burzynski]

I play this 27 hole course in N. Ohio on occasion:

http://sycamorehillsgolf.com/

There are 3 nines, two are the same length and about the same slope the third is shorter and lower slope.

The course is nice, nothing fancy, but it is a great excuse to play golf when I go and VISIT THE MOTHER-IN-LAW.  Any course that allows golf vs. sitting talking with the mom-in-law is gold to me. 

Nine holes is too short, 18 is fine, 27 is a bonus two hours away from it all.
27 leaves me just enough time to say hello and goodbye to the mom in law. 

[Ronald Montesano]

Buck Hill Falls in The Pennsylvania Pokes has 27...I played two of the three this Summer and have been led to believe that the third nine truly is inferior.  Deerwood GC, a muni in North Tonawanda, NY (sort of between Buffalo and Niagara Falls) has 27...18 are long and flat with inverted-bowl greens...about 10 years ago they had Scott Witter (of GCA) do a new nine.  It is shorter than the other two and light-years better for artistry, skill, strategy and challenge.  The three nines are the Buck and Doe (two originals) and the Fawn (Scott's contribution.)

[Kyle Harris]

HVCC has 27 holes. The Flynn and Toomey nines are the origional 9's and the centennial was added as the third. The centennial nine is a great compliment to the other two as it is much harder yet maintains the same characteristics as the other two nines.

Matt Matt Matt....

Surely you realize the C-Nine was built with the other two nines but was abandoned in the '30s! The only holes amended were C-6 and C-7, since these two originally ran along the bottom of what is now the range.

Mens' Club Championships were originally held on the B-C course, with the ladies' events on the A-B.

[Charles Scalzott]

HVCC has 27 holes. The Flynn and Toomey nines are the origional 9's and the centennial was added as the third. The centennial nine is a great compliment to the other two as it is much harder yet maintains the same characteristics as the other two nines.

The interesting thing about these three nines is that they originally opened at the same time when Flynn completed the course back in 1928 (I believe).  It's been noted that the nines increase in difficulty as you play them in A, B, C order (A="Toomey", B="Flynn", C="Centennial").

The C nine closed during the depression and was reconstructed back in 1998 give or take a year.  It is the most difficult of the 3 as Matt mentioned above.  The 3 put together make for a very fun 27 holes.

Although they have this perceived difficulty progression, I find the A and B nine to play to a similar difficulty with some very difficult holes on both nines.  A sometimes more so for my particular game...the ball above my feet lie which is often found on the A nine is not my best friend.

HVCC has received much praise on this site and rightly so.  It is one of the most fun golf courses you could ever hope to play when it is firm and fast (like usual).  Very unique to the area if not all areas in the US.

Ok - enough of this love fest.

[Kyle Harris]

HVCC has 27 holes. The Flynn and Toomey nines are the origional 9's and the centennial was added as the third. The centennial nine is a great compliment to the other two as it is much harder yet maintains the same characteristics as the other two nines.

The interesting thing about these three nines is that they originally opened at the same time when Flynn completed the course back in 1928 (I believe).  It's been noted that the nines increase in difficulty as you play them in A, B, C order (A="Toomey", B="Flynn", C="Centennial").

The C nine closed during the depression and was reconstructed back in 1998 give or take a year.  It is the most difficult of the 3 as Matt mentioned above.  The 3 put together make for a very fun 27 holes.

Although they have this perceived difficulty progression, I find the A and B nine to play to a similar difficulty with some very difficult holes on both nines.  A sometimes more so for my particular game...the ball above my feet lie which is often found on the A nine is not my best friend.

HVCC has received much praise on this site and rightly so.  It is one of the most fun golf courses you could ever hope to play when it is firm and fast (like usual).  Very unique to the area if not all areas in the US.

Ok - enough of this love fest.

No, it's not.

[Charles Scalzott]

HVCC has 27 holes. The Flynn and Toomey nines are the origional 9's and the centennial was added as the third. The centennial nine is a great compliment to the other two as it is much harder yet maintains the same characteristics as the other two nines.

Matt Matt Matt....

Surely you realize the C-Nine was built with the other two nines but was abandoned in the '30s! The only holes amended were C-6 and C-7, since these two originally ran along the bottom of what is now the range.

Mens' Club Championships were originally held on the B-C course, with the ladies' events on the A-B.

Kyle - I see you and I were typing at the same time!

[Charles Scalzott]

HVCC has 27 holes. The Flynn and Toomey nines are the origional 9's and the centennial was added as the third. The centennial nine is a great compliment to the other two as it is much harder yet maintains the same characteristics as the other two nines.

The interesting thing about these three nines is that they originally opened at the same time when Flynn completed the course back in 1928 (I believe).  It's been noted that the nines increase in difficulty as you play them in A, B, C order (A="Toomey", B="Flynn", C="Centennial").

The C nine closed during the depression and was reconstructed back in 1998 give or take a year.  It is the most difficult of the 3 as Matt mentioned above.  The 3 put together make for a very fun 27 holes.

Although they have this perceived difficulty progression, I find the A and B nine to play to a similar difficulty with some very difficult holes on both nines.  A sometimes more so for my particular game...the ball above my feet lie which is often found on the A nine is not my best friend.

HVCC has received much praise on this site and rightly so.  It is one of the most fun golf courses you could ever hope to play when it is firm and fast (like usual).  Very unique to the area if not all areas in the US.

Ok - enough of this love fest.

No, it's not.

Not enough of the love fest?  Do we need more?  I have more   Or were you referring to something else?

[John Moore II]

How many course records does a 27 hole course have? 3 or 3!?

I should say that it should have 6. One for each 18 hole combination and one for each 9 separate. But thats just me.

The only 27 hole course I have played sucks no matter which 2 nines you play. Junk all around. So I can't make a good comment on this.

[Mark_Rowlinson]

There's an interesting 27-hole club in Belgium, Royal Hainault. I can't remember whether the original 18 is Simpson or not - no doubt a scholar will put me right - but the newish 9 by Hawtree is very Surrey heathland. It also employs wide fairways, which are a total contrast to the original 18, which are sort of scrubby bushland in nature. It was a favourite of King Baudouin, an amateur golfer of international ability.

Nothing to do with this, but my wife, Lavinia, and I were in Antwerp a few weeks ago. We were not there to play golf (the weather was terrible, anyway) but our three evening meals reminded me just how good Belgian cooking is. Expensive? Yes, seriously. But as good as the very best French. Here are the web sites of two very different but first class establishments.

http://www.docks.be/
http://www.okontreir.com/

[Ronald Montesano]

Sheet, I'm forgetting Tilly's first nine at Shawnee...they've got 27 as well.  I played the Tilly and the newest one this Summer as well.  Cool golf holes, no doubt.

[SPDB]

TCC-Brookline

27 holes on the property, there is a "member" course and a "champ" course.

Pat:
The Championship course is a composite course that is not available for daily play and is only used for Major Championships.  The 18 Hole "Member" course you refer to is the Clyde course.  The other 9 hole course is the Primrose course.
Best
Dave

In the two years I was a caddy at TCC while in College members would venture off and play the Champ "composite" course quite often, granted on a busy Saturday morning its wasn't common. However on a normal week day I would say 30% of members and their guests would go from the 8th green to the 11th tee.

Really? 30%? I've played it a bunch and unless it was a tournament day in which the course was set up for Composite play, I've never seen it.  How doctrinaire was the play?

Would they play 2 as a par 3?
Would they skip 12?
Would they tee off on 13 from the Primrose 3d tee?
Would they combine Primrose 1 and 2?
Play Primrose 8 as a par 4?

[Tom Yost]

Ocotillo GC in Chandler AZ has three nines that can be played in any order and they are all similarly unremarkable and uninteresting.  In fact, you could probably get fooled into playing one of the nines twice and not even realize it.

[Sam Morrow]

Bay Hill has 27.

[Dave_Miller]

TCC-Brookline

27 holes on the property, there is a "member" course and a "champ" course.

Pat:
The Championship course is a composite course that is not available for daily play and is only used for Major Championships.  The 18 Hole "Member" course you refer to is the Clyde course.  The other 9 hole course is the Primrose course.
Best
Dave

In the two years I was a caddy at TCC while in College members would venture off and play the Champ "composite" course quite often, granted on a busy Saturday morning its wasn't common. However on a normal week day I would say 30% of members and their guests would go from the 8th green to the 11th tee.

Pat:
How do they play number 2 as a par three?  Also what about number 9.  That's used as a driving range in Championships.  I have played there many times over the last 30 years and unless the Championship course was set up for a special day I have never seen anyone play it.
Best
Dave
 

[PCCraig]

TCC-Brookline

27 holes on the property, there is a "member" course and a "champ" course.

Pat:
The Championship course is a composite course that is not available for daily play and is only used for Major Championships.  The 18 Hole "Member" course you refer to is the Clyde course.  The other 9 hole course is the Primrose course.
Best
Dave

In the two years I was a caddy at TCC while in College members would venture off and play the Champ "composite" course quite often, granted on a busy Saturday morning its wasn't common. However on a normal week day I would say 30% of members and their guests would go from the 8th green to the 11th tee.

Pat:
How do they play number 2 as a par three?  Also what about number 9.  That's used as a driving range in Championships.  I have played there many times over the last 30 years and unless the Championship course was set up for a special day I have never seen anyone play it.
Best
Dave
 

Dave-

#2 is played from the normal ladies tee as a par-3 (190yards or so) and #9 isn't played when playing the champ course. You just walking straight from 8 Green to 11 Tee. Players just walk right past the Par-3 12th. There isn't any "special" set up needed to play it, hence why I said TCC is really a 27 hole course.

[Ian_L]

First example that comes to mind is Poppy Ridge, Livermore, CA.

I used to kinda like this course.  The more I've played it though the less I like it.

But it is 27 holes, and it doesn't tend to matter much which two nines you play.

I usually have a pretty good memory for golf holes, but I can only remember 4 or 5 holes of the 18 I played this summer there.  Three of the par 3's I played were nearly identical.  I'd take Chardonnay up in Napa before this course.  They've got some crazy greens up there!

[Sean_A]

I was going to mention Shepherd's Hollow.  Its a fairly seamless 3 sets of 9.

There is also Princes.  I don't think the Himalayas is quite up to par, but it ain't bad. 

What about Portmarnock?  I thought the Yellow 9 was not far off the 18 championship holes - though I am not sure the club uses this 9 interchangeably unless maintenance is on.

Ciao

[Mike Benham]

Poppy Ridge sprang to my mind as well. Cinnabar Hills also has fairly equitable 9s.

Poppy Ridge's 9 are mathematically equitable in slope and rating.  No matter which 9's you combine for 18 holes, it has the same rating ... what are the odds of that occurring when the archie designed the course?

[PCCraig]

TCC-Brookline

27 holes on the property, there is a "member" course and a "champ" course.

Pat:
The Championship course is a composite course that is not available for daily play and is only used for Major Championships.  The 18 Hole "Member" course you refer to is the Clyde course.  The other 9 hole course is the Primrose course.
Best
Dave

In the two years I was a caddy at TCC while in College members would venture off and play the Champ "composite" course quite often, granted on a busy Saturday morning its wasn't common. However on a normal week day I would say 30% of members and their guests would go from the 8th green to the 11th tee.

Really? 30%? I've played it a bunch and unless it was a tournament day in which the course was set up for Composite play, I've never seen it.  How doctrinaire was the play?

Would they play 2 as a par 3?
Would they skip 12?
Would they tee off on 13 from the Primrose 3d tee?
Would they combine Primrose 1 and 2?
Play Primrose 8 as a par 4?

The 2nd ladies tee where the hole is played as a par-3 is right next to the 1st green. It is actually a really hard par-3 considering how firm the green is, it being dead uphill, and a long iron needed. (I think its a better Par-4 than 3 IMO)

Most would skip 12 but some would play it as long as they were already there. As you know its a short hole and it takes 2 min to walk from 11 green to 13 tee.

It doesn't take much effort to play over Primrose 1 right to the 2nd green, and then players tee off of the 2nd tee (shared with the 8th tee) for the Primrose 3rd.


Like I said before, most groups wouldn't do this. It was usually better players at the club on days that were not too busy.

[Kevin Pallier]

Joondalup in WA works OK though the Lakes 9 is probably the lesser of the three

Royal Canberra's "links style" 9 is totally out of character with the other older 18.

Dubbo + Corowa + Catalina in the countryside of NSW also work together nicely

Stoke Park in England + The Wisley and perhaps Cruden Bay were good examples from GB&I

[Ash Towe]

Forest Pines in Lincolnshire has 27.  Very well maintained.  Good place to stay and play.  I believe it was a falconry before the land was used for golf.

[Matthew Rose]

I played all of the original 27 at Grand Cypress one day. Regardless of what one thinks of them, you would have to say they were at least fairly cohesive.

[J_ Crisham]

Butterfield CC in Oak Brook is in the midst of a major reno. Nice club-hopefully it will drain better when completed.     Jack

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