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Doug Spets

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2008, 02:33:55 PM »
What's been astounding to me through 4 days is how firm MCC continues to be despite rain.  Thursday's practice round saw nearly 2 inches fall and very little water anywhere.  During the round, though, the greens will still very firm.  And on Friday...you couldn't even tell that 2 inches had fallen the day before....I would guess the result of great drainage, topography and design.


There's nothing tricked up about this course...the finishing stretch of 14-18 is as tough as they come.  A fine fine test of golf.

RJ_Daley

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2008, 03:07:28 PM »
Doug, whose bag did you have?  Sorry we missed you...
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Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2008, 03:18:06 PM »
Doug was on the bag of Chris Lange, of Bryn Mawr, PA (anyone on the board know him...), who played well on the weekend and qualified at +5. Chris moved on today with a 3&2 win.

RJ -- great minds think alike! I, too, stumbled on to that viewing perch in between 8 and 9, overlooking the 10th fairway and green. The MCC member overseeing the 9th tee and I had a long conversation about both 9 and 10, which on two days' worth of visits, are two of my favorites. We will have to discuss the virtues of 9, a hole I really, really liked, in part because I stood there for a good 30 minutes or so and watched player after player attack it in a variety of ways off the tee -- from 5-iron to driver -- with a variety of results, good and bad. That, to me, is the mark of a good, short par 4.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2008, 03:20:19 PM by Phil McDade »

JSlonis

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2008, 03:36:40 PM »
Doug was on the bag of Chris Lange, of Bryn Mawr, PA (anyone on the board know him...), who played well on the weekend and qualified at +5. Chris moved on today with a 3&2 win.

RJ -- great minds think alike! I, too, stumbled on to that viewing perch in between 8 and 9, overlooking the 10th fairway and green. The MCC member overseeing the 9th tee and I had a long conversation about both 9 and 10, which on two days' worth of visits, are two of my favorites. We will have to discuss the virtues of 9, a hole I really, really liked, in part because I stood there for a good 30 minutes or so and watched player after player attack it in a variety of ways off the tee -- from 5-iron to driver -- with a variety of results, good and bad. That, to me, is the mark of a good, short par 4.

I know Chris Lange very well and have played with him a fair amount here in Philly.  Chris is a great guy and has been one of the very best amateurs in this area for quite some time.  He's a very consistent player and one of the toughest competitors you'll ever come across.  I saw that he won his match today.  If anyone sees him, tell him I said Good Luck!

Jamie

Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2008, 04:01:20 PM »
Chris takes on the qualifying medalist, Richard Berkmeyer, bright and early tomorrow at 730 a.m. Fun to watch how match play changes the dynamic of things; several of the top qualifiers in stroke play have lost or are in trouble today.


Doug Spets

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #55 on: September 08, 2008, 04:21:40 PM »
Jamie.....

I couldn't agree more.  A class act who can make par from anywhere.

JSlonis

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2008, 04:28:13 PM »
Jamie.....

I couldn't agree more.  A class act who can make par from anywhere.

Doug,

I know Skip Berkmeyer pretty well too.  We'd played practice rounds together at the Mid Am in Flagstaff and also at Pine Valley last year.  Skip's been playing great, he did well in the US Am this year in Pinehurst, I think he lost in the 2nd rd of match play. One of the few mid-am's to make it to match play.   Please say hello and good luck to both.

You got a great loop with Chris, he is a bulldog on the course. Have fun!! ;D

RJ_Daley

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2008, 04:30:13 PM »
Phil, too coincidental.  I also spoke for at least an hour with the scorer on 8.  He was a very interesting gent who I'd guess is pushing into his 70s, plays out of Whitnall Park, and has done many invitational organizing for MCC as I get it.  More interestingly, he was Archie Dadian's caddie for many years, and travelled with him all over the country.  He has plenty of stories of playing Nakoma, and the Bluff... and knows all the old guys on the Wisconsin circuit.  He was also very big in the speed skating arena and knew all of our famous Madisonians from the old days skating at the Vilas rink.  A very cool guy.  I will IM you his name...

A gent from Philly aced 8, but I didn't catch his name nor did I see it.  It really is a very cool event. 

I just read the bios of some of the players on the USGA web page.

http://www.usmidam.org/news/Storylines.html

There are really some great story lines.  I particularly liked and admire Mr.:

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John Urquhart, 39, of Phoenix, Ariz., is also playing in his first USGA championship. Urquhart, who has kidney disease, has been on the national transplant list for two years. He had dialysis the day before his Mid-Am sectional qualifier, which marked just the fourth time in the last three years he has walked 18 holes.

The USGA really has done a terrific job on this feature, and the whole tournament.
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JSlonis

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2008, 04:40:57 PM »
Doug,

I just got a text message from Skip Berkmeyer.  He and Chris played together in last year's Crump Cup.  You should have a great day!

Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2008, 04:53:53 PM »
Dick:

There were (and are) some great stories out there. I followed briefly (too briefly, it turns out) a guy named Chester Guzek, from Spotsylvania, VA, a little burg outside Fredericksburg. He showed up at the first tee of the first day at MCC -- greeted, of course, by the blue-coated, tie-wearing USGA official -- wearing frayed khaki pants, a shirt about two sizes too small, and very worn sneakers. His physique, well, it made Tim Herron look slim.

Guzwik had one of the more remarkable nines I've seen lately (front nine of the first day, his back nine for the day):

http://www.usmidam.org/scoring/nml/card/card070.html

He tees off after being announced by the USGA official, hits the 10th fairway (his first hole) with his drive, then absolutely cold-tops his second shot. He makes bogey on 10, and ambles along, playing indifferent golf for the next 15 holes and arrives at the 8th at +7, seemingly shooting himself out of qualifying on the first day.

He then goes 1-3 on holes 8 and 9, turns in a 74, and was actually in a good position to qualify with a decent round at BD. Unfortunately, he missed the cut.

I'm beginning to think the Mid-Am is perhaps my favorite USGA event; a very different feel than most any other tournament I've been at.




« Last Edit: September 08, 2008, 05:01:38 PM by Phil McDade »

JohnV

Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2008, 08:26:38 PM »
Guzwik's was the first of 3 aces on #8 in stroke play.  There were two more on Sunday.

If any of you are coming out on Tuesday, I'm refereeing the 1PM match of the round of 16, which will include Chris Lange if he wins in the morning.  Hope to see you Doug.

Jim Sweeney

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2008, 08:50:31 PM »
JVB:

Really missing all you guys up at MCC. My mother-in-law broke her hip Thursday evening, so we've been dealing with that.

Please give my regards to everyone.

Jim Sweeney

PS:  For some reason I cannot send private messages. Guess I'm off that list.
Jim
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Brendan Dolan

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #62 on: September 08, 2008, 09:46:38 PM »
As Dick mentioned we had a great time checking out the course and play yesterday at the mid am.  It is a truly unique event at an outstanding classic course this year.  I really enjoyed following play as you could really get close to the action and design features, and would highly recommend attending this event if it is ever at a course near you. 
Milwaukee Country Club was in fabulous condition and looked to be a hoot to play.  I also really liked the holes 8 through 10.  Like Dick said there is no room for air on the short par 3 8th with long being especially dead.  Number 9 just looked awesome and I would have loved to see how players would play it with the tees up, which I presume they will do for some of the match play.  10 is stern par 4 played from an elevated tee to a valley fairway back up to a nifty raised green.  The right side of the approach is mowed at fairway height allowing the safe player to aim right, in an attempt to take the left side drop off and almost certain bogey out of play.  The 17th a long par 3, also had a similar kicker on the left side, giving it an interesting redan like feel.  Overall the course just looked like a really enjoyable golf course that I could never get bored of playing.
It was great meeting both Dick and Jason.
Brendan     

Jason Mandel

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2008, 12:22:26 AM »
Dick:

There were (and are) some great stories out there. I followed briefly (too briefly, it turns out) a guy named Chester Guzek, from Spotsylvania, VA, a little burg outside Fredericksburg. He showed up at the first tee of the first day at MCC -- greeted, of course, by the blue-coated, tie-wearing USGA official -- wearing frayed khaki pants, a shirt about two sizes too small, and very worn sneakers. His physique, well, it made Tim Herron look slim.

Guzwik had one of the more remarkable nines I've seen lately (front nine of the first day, his back nine for the day):

http://www.usmidam.org/scoring/nml/card/card070.html

He tees off after being announced by the USGA official, hits the 10th fairway (his first hole) with his drive, then absolutely cold-tops his second shot. He makes bogey on 10, and ambles along, playing indifferent golf for the next 15 holes and arrives at the 8th at +7, seemingly shooting himself out of qualifying on the first day.

He then goes 1-3 on holes 8 and 9, turns in a 74, and was actually in a good position to qualify with a decent round at BD. Unfortunately, he missed the cut.

I'm beginning to think the Mid-Am is perhaps my favorite USGA event; a very different feel than most any other tournament I've been at.



I will post more later as I just returned from the Packers game, but Chester Guzik is actually a superintendent in Virginia.  He said his goal for the year was to play 9 holes a week!

Jason
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JohnV

Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2008, 10:08:52 AM »
JVB:

Really missing all you guys up at MCC. My mother-in-law broke her hip Thursday evening, so we've been dealing with that.

Please give my regards to everyone.

Jim Sweeney

PS:  For some reason I cannot send private messages. Guess I'm off that list.
Jim

Sorry to hear about your Mother-in-law.  We miss you here.

John

Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2008, 09:55:33 PM »
Doug was on the bag of Chris Lange, of Bryn Mawr, PA (anyone on the board know him...), who played well on the weekend and qualified at +5. Chris moved on today with a 3&2 win.

RJ -- great minds think alike! I, too, stumbled on to that viewing perch in between 8 and 9, overlooking the 10th fairway and green. The MCC member overseeing the 9th tee and I had a long conversation about both 9 and 10, which on two days' worth of visits, are two of my favorites. We will have to discuss the virtues of 9, a hole I really, really liked, in part because I stood there for a good 30 minutes or so and watched player after player attack it in a variety of ways off the tee -- from 5-iron to driver -- with a variety of results, good and bad. That, to me, is the mark of a good, short par 4.

I know Chris Lange very well and have played with him a fair amount here in Philly.  Chris is a great guy and has been one of the very best amateurs in this area for quite some time.  He's a very consistent player and one of the toughest competitors you'll ever come across.  I saw that he won his match today.  If anyone sees him, tell him I said Good Luck!

Jamie

For all the Philly folks out there:

Chris Lange advanced to the quarter-finals today in the Mid-Am, with a 1 up morning win over qualifying medalist Richard Berkmeyer and another 1 up victory on the 19th hole over Steve White after being four down after 13. At 53, Chris is the oldest golfer left in the field -- a mid-amateur's mid-amateur. A very nice guy, with nothing flashy about his game except that he's unerringly straight and eerily able to control the distance of his irons to about a yard or two. Sometimes GCA poster Doug Spets is on his bag, and said that even Lange's poor shots this week have turned out well -- Doug said he's made more pars out of potential bogeys from a variety of ugly spots than is possibly legal. With John Vander Borght as the walking official for his match, and Chris Cupit waiting in the wings as another USGA official, GCA was well-represented in Milwaukee today.

If Lange advances Wed. morning, it could set up a potential East-West Pennsylvania match-up, as Oakmont's Sean Knapp -- one of western PA's more accomplished amateurs -- is also in the upper half of the bracket.

Milwaukee CC is playing very tough -- today was quite cool (maybe 50 degrees when the first group went off at 730 am today) with freshening winds in the afternoon.


Sean Leary

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2008, 11:44:04 AM »
Chris Lange lost 9 and 7 this morning in an 18 hole match. Almost unbelievable..

JohnV

Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2008, 11:50:09 AM »
I was with Lange and White yesterday.  It was a very interesting match with a total reversal of momentum coming when White 3-putted the 14th hole to hand it to Lange.  Read more about it on my blog: http://freedrop.wordpress.com.

Lange's loss today was amazing.  He lost 9 and 7 and won hole.  He lost the other 10 holes.  His opponent had a bunch of birdies although a couple were birdie-bogey combos where a mid-range putt might have been conceeded as it was obvious he wouldn't three-putt.

I'm scheduled to be the observer for the second semi-final today for all 36-holes tomorrow.  I might end up switching with the referee after 9 holes today.

Chris Cupit

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2008, 02:22:11 AM »
I was the referee for the Lange/Mitchell match and I did get to meet Doug Spets.  Sorry I didn't get a chance to say much Doug but my job in the match was really to just shut up and keep up (and make sure no one does anything wrong!)

What is there to say--an unbelieveable match--Chis had a great week and just ran into a buzzsaw :o

It was nice seeing all the GCA guys and I hope tomorrow's final is a good one.

K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #69 on: September 11, 2008, 09:33:06 AM »
I was the referee for the Lange/Mitchell match and I did get to meet Doug Spets.  Sorry I didn't get a chance to say much Doug but my job in the match was really to just shut up and keep up (and make sure no one does anything wrong!)

What is there to say--an unbelieveable match--Chis had a great week and just ran into a buzzsaw :o

It was nice seeing all the GCA guys and I hope tomorrow's final is a good one.

Good to see that Illinois is being represented in the final match.  I hope you are enjoying your time up there Chris.

Doug Spets

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2008, 11:22:47 AM »
Nice to meet Phil, John and Chris.  Great to put a face with a name.

Chris Lange did something in that final round I've never seen in my years of caddying.  He had me tend a flagstick while he hit out of the bunker on 6.  The ball lacked less than 1 roll of going in to tie Mitchell's birdie 3.   He's a pretty amazing competitor...and a true gentleman.  Mitchell just played awesome in that quarterfinal.


Chris Cupit

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2008, 04:08:10 PM »
Doug

That was one of the finest shots I've ever seen in match play.  For the rest here's what happened:

Hole #6 at Milwaukee--uphill par 4 with a very deep left greenside bunker.  Hole is cut back and left.  Green slopes strongly from back to front and left to right near the hole--I actually thought the bunker shot could easily not stay on the green.

Chris Lange plays first and just pulls the ball a hair.  I couldn't tell but it may have hit the green and then trickled off the edge down into the very deep bunker.

Mitchell plays 30 feet or so short of the hole.

Lange, though in the bunker is closer to the hole, so Mitchell plays first and drains the putt (he was 3 up at the time). 

Lange with no green to work with must play out of a very deep bunker to a hole that slopes severly away from him.  He has Doug attend the flagstick and I think his only chance is to slam dunk it so I was wondering why have the flagstick attended.  I also could see the ball coming out "hot" and hitting Doug or the Flagstick and then thoughts were racing in my head as to the proper announcement of the result of the hole!!!

If the ball struck Doug it's a loss of hole penalty which doesn't affect the match except for what I have to announce.  If the shot just doesn't go in the announcement is,"  Mr. Lange 4, Mr. Mitchell 3, Mr. Mitchell is 4 up".  If the ball strikes Doug or the flagstick I think I would have had to announce, Mr. Lange incurs a loss of hole penalty after Mr. Mitchell has holed out for 3, Mr. Mitchell is 4 up"  Obviously it would not have mattered but it is one of those "panic" moments of "O crap" that occurs when refereeing a match from time to time.

Anyway, Lange plays a phenomenal bunker shot that lands barely on the green as softly as one could have imagined, crept downhill toward the hole and stopped an inch short of going in--it would have been the greatest halve ever.  After that, the match was pretty much over.   

Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2008, 06:09:58 PM »
Just returned from the Mid-Am final -- Mississippi's Steve Wilson (ironically, the same age as Mississippi native and former Packer QB Brett Favre, with whom he's golfed) beat Todd Mitchell 5&4 in the finals.

Wilson had the better of play today, sinking tons of putts throughout the day. The match was decided in a five-hole stretch at the end of the morning round and beginning of the afternoon round. Mitchell, having gotten the match to 1 down after 16, hit the green on the very tough uphill par 3 17th, while Wilson sent his tee shot into a very deep greenside bunker. But Wilson got up and down for par, while Mitchell couldn't convert. Wilson pulled the same trick on 18, getting up and down from a greenside bunker for par while Mitchell three-putted to go 2 down.

Wilson stiffed a wedge on the first hole of the afternoon session for birdie, then made a miraculous par on the par 5 3rd hole after nearly slicing his approach shot OB right of the green. His up-and-down from the rough, over a bunker, was pretty incredible. Mitchell failed to birdie, and stayed 3 down. Wilson closed him out with steady play, including a phenomenal par to halve the 9th hole (drove into the back greenside bunker on the driveable par 4 9th, bunker shot went into the front bunker, second bunker shot went about 20 feet past the hole, and his putt would've gone back into the front bunker if the hole hadn't gotten in the way. An amazing four.)

A great tournament, wonderful work by superintendent Pat Sisk and his staff, and a warmly welcoming, hospitable,  and accommodating membership at MCC. A terrific Mid-Am experience.

David_Tepper

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2008, 08:01:35 PM »
Chris Cupit -

A rules question re: a player having their caddie "tend the flagstick" when hitting a shot from off the green (bunker shot, chip, pitch, etc.).

I thought the only choices were to either pull the flagstick before hitting the shot or leaving the flagstick in (and alone). I did not think a caddie could tend the flagstick and remove the flagstick while the struck ball was in motion, which is obviously different from what a caddie can do when a player is putting while on the green.

Am I mistaken about this? If I am correct, why would a player want to have their caddie holding the flagstick while playing a bunker shot if the caddie is not allowed to pull the flagstick as the ball nears the hole?

DT   

jeffwarne

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2008, 08:17:29 PM »
David,
the flag can be tended anywhere.
But it must be removed as the ball approaches the hole-it's not the caddie's or player's choice once the shot has been hit
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