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JohnV

Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2008, 12:30:23 PM »
I will be at one of the courses on Sunday, probably walking one round as a referee.  On Sunday there is a cookout for the players and officials on Sunday which I'll be going to so I won't be able to make dinner.  As I said, we get our work schedule on Friday afternoon so I won't know which course I'll be at until then.  I'll post my schedule Friday night or Saturday morning.

Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2008, 02:44:25 PM »
I plan to go, just to walk MCC and see the layout.

What is the arrangement for parking?  I presume there is a shuttle lot somewhere.  I checked every USGA webpage I could think of, the Milwaukee paper website, the club's website, etc.  No info.

Update on spectator parking:

For Brown Deer, parking will be on the Brown Deer Park grounds, which are best accessed off N. Range Line Rd. just south of its intersection with N. Green Bay Rd. (state highway 57). North Range Line Road forms the eastern border of the park, and the course. There may be access to Brown Deer Park from the north entrance off W. Bradley Road, and the northeast side of the park off N. Green Bay Road. But the Brown Deer golf course folks said there will be attendants/volunteers directing cars to parking at the N. Range Line Rd. entrance to the park.

As for Milwaukee CC, the club plans to utilize a parking lot at Memorial Lutheran Church, 7701 N. Green Bay Rd. (at the intersection of N. Green Bay Rd. and W. Dunwood Rd., just south of where N. Green Bay Rd. intersections with N. Range Line Rd.). MCC said it plans to run a shuttle from the church parking lot to the club; on-grounds parking at the club is somewhat limited and reserved for club members.

RJ_Daley

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2008, 02:57:11 PM »
How about those interested in meeting up around 9-10Am Sunday, IM me their cell phone #s, and I'll send you mine.  Perhaps in addition to the cell phones for calling each other while in route, or arrival, we can set a meeting spot on the course.  Of course I'm sure we can't/shouldn't use our cell phones while actually on the playing grounds of the course.  But, perhaps set to no ring or vibrate, and discretely check messages or call from an out of play hearing distance....

since some of us haven't met and won't recognise eachother, I'll make it easy.  I'm 'rotund' and will be wearing a Wild Horse wide brim sun straw hat and Ballyneal green or blue shirt!  ::) :o ;) ;D
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Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2008, 03:28:22 PM »
Richard:

I shall be wearing this (in honor of a certain GCA poster...)

http://www.bratgear.com/sc/showcatalog.asp?CategoryLevel=1&Cat1=Hats&CategoryName=Hats


RJ_Daley

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2008, 03:48:29 PM »
You mean Mr "brat slipage"?  ;D

If we are going to have a golf fashion show... I can also slip into "Mr USGA rough":
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Brendan Dolan

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2008, 10:36:17 PM »
I am interested in possibly coming out Sunday morning, depending on if I feel like coming back from Madison.  Thanks for trying to set a meeting place up RJ, I'll try to update you on my decision.
Brendan

Patrick_Sisk,_CGCS

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2008, 07:08:16 AM »
As you can imagine we’re very excited to be hosting the Mid-Am in a few days.  This year’s weather has posed quite a challenge for our staff while we not only maintained the course for daily play but prepared for a USGA Championship (http://www.usmidam.org/news/flooding.html).

The course will be playing as firm as possible.  Most irrigation via sprinklers has been suspended and the hoses have been out in full force for the past week or so.  Recent modifications to the course have healed very well and unless you have prior knowledge of the course the work will be unnoticeable.

Congratulations and best wishes to those who have qualified.   As for the GCA crowd; it should be fairly easy to spot the architecture “geeks” as you all will be the ones lagging well behind play to debate the merits.  Have no fear, I’ll find you!

Pat

Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2008, 07:51:42 AM »
Patrick:

Can't wait to see the course and the work you and your crew have put into it.

JMorgan

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2008, 08:18:24 AM »
Does anyone have pictures of the pre-Alison Travis course (1924-1928)? 

Dan Moore

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2008, 12:51:48 PM »
I am trying to make it up.  Anyone interested in an early morning or late afternoon round at Erin Hills.  EH can't be much more than 30 minutes from MCC.  I think the $125 fall rate in effect on Sundays in September. 
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

Doug Spets

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2008, 02:35:43 PM »
Not sure who I will be toting for.  I will find out upon arrival on Wednesday.

I, and 2 other caddies from Georgia, may be looking for a place to play on Monday in the event our players don't make it to match play.  Any reasonable suggestions?

JohnV

Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2008, 02:41:29 PM »
How about those interested in meeting up around 9-10Am Sunday, IM me their cell phone #s, and I'll send you mine.  Perhaps in addition to the cell phones for calling each other while in route, or arrival, we can set a meeting spot on the course.  Of course I'm sure we can't/shouldn't use our cell phones while actually on the playing grounds of the course.  But, perhaps set to no ring or vibrate, and discretely check messages or call from an out of play hearing distance....

since some of us haven't met and won't recognise eachother, I'll make it easy.  I'm 'rotund' and will be wearing a Wild Horse wide brim sun straw hat and Ballyneal green or blue shirt!  ::) :o ;) ;D

I'll be wearing a white USGA Rules Committee shirt, which shouldn't help much as they'll be about 60 of us there. ;)  Also, I might be at the other course.

JohnV

Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2008, 02:42:37 PM »
Not sure who I will be toting for.  I will find out upon arrival on Wednesday.

I, and 2 other caddies from Georgia, may be looking for a place to play on Monday in the event our players don't make it to match play.  Any reasonable suggestions?

Brown Deer Park?  I bet it will be in great shape.

Steve Kline

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2008, 03:40:41 PM »
Isn't Lawsonia pretty close and reasonably cheap?

JVB is also a pretty tall guy - at least from my 5'9" perspective.

Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2008, 04:02:20 PM »
Isn't Lawsonia pretty close and reasonably cheap?


Lawsonia is about 1-1/2 hours away -- you have to find you way from the north side of Milwaukee over to Hwy 41, which takes you up to Fond du Lac -- Lawsonia, about a mile west of Green Lake proper, is 30 minutes west of Fond du Lac on Hwy 23, assuming you don't get stuck behind a corn truck.

Lawsonia's weekday fall rate (Mon-Thur) right now is $45 walking ($50 w/ cart), but it goes down to $28 after 2 pm. Sunset in these parts these days is @ 730 pm, so there is plenty of time to walk 18 even if you get a tee time @ 3 pm.


Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2008, 03:57:56 PM »
For those on the board interested, pairings and tee times are now available:

http://www.usmidam.org/players/

RJ_Daley

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2008, 04:32:01 PM »
Jason Mandel has called me.  His Bro tees off on #10 at 8:20Am Sunday.  He also intends to come up to GB Monday, if Bro doesn't make cut for a round at Brown Co. GC, at 12:10Pm before he attends the Packer game here.  I'm going to try like heck to play with him, back willing.  I'll probably get to the Brown Deer parking lot about 9Am Sunday.

I'll post my cell phone for a while on here, but them I"m deleting it, and you will have to IM me for it.

920-471-6772
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Mike McGuire

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2008, 06:59:41 PM »


Good thing the mid-am wasn't a week earlier. Harley Davidson 105th anniversary party just ended. A couple hundred thousand motorcycles in town. Might have given the contestants a skewed view of Milwaukee.

JohnV

Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2008, 08:26:11 AM »
I got my schedule for stroke play last night.

I'm going with the 12:10 group off #1 at Brown Deer Park today.

Tomorrow I go twice.  Both off #10 at Milwaukee.  7:40 AM and the final group at 1:50 PM.

Hope to see you guys there.

RJ_Daley

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2008, 11:47:04 AM »
We'll find you John.  I hope you get to make some sort of really exotic ruling so we can observe...  ;) ;D 8)
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Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2008, 11:12:59 PM »
A brief rundown of qualifying play from the Mid-Am:

-- The two stroke-play rounds were played in ideal fall weather here in Wisconsin -- temps in the 70s, a fresh breeze each day, low humidity. Both courses -- Brown Deer and Milwaukee CC -- played pretty tough, with +7 making the cut. Medalist was -2, with only one other player under par, and only two at even.

-- The surprise I suppose of the first two days was the toughness of Brown Deer, supposedly the easier of the two courses. It played at @ 6,700 yards, par 70, compared to MCC's 7,000 yds at par 70. But BD overall played to an average of 75.2 for the two days, compared to MCC's 76.2. Players I talked to during Friday's practice round and Saturday play thought MCC might play as much as 3 or 4 strokes harder than BD.

-- Much credit to MCC supt. Patrick Sisk and his crew; after record rains in June nearly washed out a few holes at the course, and the driest July/August in memory provided more challenges, the course was hit with 2 inches of rain during an all-day fall soaker of a rainstorm Wednesday on the eve of the tournament. But the course looked in terrific shape, and numerous players and caddies I spoke with Friday and Saturday praised it quite strongly, saying it was a tough but very fair challenge.

-- Apologies all around to some of the GCA crowd for missing out on Sunday; I had a sudden change of plans on the family front. But I did spend Saturday there, along with part of Friday's practice round, and got to walk some of the back nine at MCC with GCA poster Jason Mandel and his brother, Marc, and a few other Philly guys. Alas, Marc missed the cut. Great bunch of guys.

-- Match-play begins Monday; Jordan Byrd made the cut, and his brother Jonathan -- a PGA pro -- will be on his bag, according to the USGA website. Tim Mickelson was second-lowest qualifier at -1, and rumor has it his slightly better-known brother may be in attendance Monday.
Byrd is off at 8:10 am, while Mickelson is off at 11:10 am tomorrow.


Chuck Brown

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2008, 11:49:44 PM »
I was at MCC on Saturday.  It exceeded my already-high expectations.  That's a great golf course, and appears to be a truly great club. 

I've seen a few Colt/Alison designs here in Michigan; I don't think any of them are as anywhere near as good as MCC.  I'm glad the tournament is getting good weather.  The course took a lot of moisture on Wed.-Thur.-Fri., but they did a fine job of getting it ready for play Saturday morning.

I know that there's been some supplemental work done to the course over the years.  It all looks quite good to me.  I like all of the disguised distances, the liberal dosing of false fronts, and it appears that someone did a great job of creating ways that errant shots can feed into the bunkers.  What a fabulous course for the members to be able to play on a daily basis.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2008, 01:39:37 AM »
AOTD # 48 Brown Deer Park (the color photo)
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?board=1%3baction=display%3bthreadid=4488
AOTD # 66 Milwaukee CC
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?board=1%3baction=display%3bthreadid=4334

A number of years ago Scott Burroughs provided us with a great series-aerial of the day These are the links
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Phil McDade

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2008, 09:00:12 AM »
Re: the Milwaukee CC aerial:

AOTD # 66 Milwaukee CC
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?board=1%3baction=display%3bthreadid=4334

the reworked holes are:

-- No. 14 (upper right corner, near the river), a 438-yd par 4 dogleg right with a tee shot over the river. Part of the course that takes the Milwaukee River into account, although the river is more of a visual element on the course than something that comes into play in any significant way. The new 14th green is the glaringly white/tan area protected in back by a line of trees near the river. A very tough hole -- it played to a stroke average of 4.5+ in qualifying play, second-hardest on the course.

-- No. 3 (middle left of aerial), a fairly straight, flat 529-yd par 5 with a tight driving area, as well as a narrow corridor for those laying up. It played to just over its par the past two days, the easiest hole on the course.

-- The area running at a 45-degree angle northwest away from the parking lot in the middle of the aerial is the current driving range.

Interestingly, one of the more altered holes is No. 10, shown in the aerial as the second hole from the right, bottom right-hand corner of the aerial (the one to the left of the doglegging hole w/ all of the bunkers). A shortish par 5 for the members and a par 4 for the Mid-Am, it looks like one of those single-file holes. But several of the tees of the left side (from the player's perspective on the tee) have been cut down, and all of the trees on the right side of the fairway are gone as well, replaced by a series of bunkers cut into a hillside. Members of the course volunteering at the Mid-Am thought it might be the single most improved hole on the course through aggressive tree-clearing and thoughtful bunker use. As a 465-yd par 4, it was a tough hole for the players, with an average of 4.51, 5th hardest. A really terrific hole, one of the best at MCC, in my view.

The course, based on Scott's aerial, has undergone some significant tree clearing, although it still is a very traditional, tree-lined parkland-style course. But the tree clearing has opened up some views as well as probably allowed wind to play a greater role on some holes; I got a sense watching play on Fri. and Sat. that players were struggling a bit with figuring out the breeze swirling through the course. (Remnants of the tree clearance can be found near the volunteer parking lot, which is filled with large sections of trees.)

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RJ_Daley

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Re: US Mid-AM at Milwaukee CC
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2008, 11:25:52 AM »
Darn, I wish I would have looked at the old aerial from Scott Burroughs prior to going there yesterday.  As Phil indicates, the de-treeing was wonderfully extensive.  ;) ;D  It really must have been received enthusiastically by the membership.  I can't hardly believe that anyone wouldn't see how much more of a golf course, detreeing had given them.

As mentioned, the 3rd hole is seen under construction-remodelling in the aerial.  And, as Phil states, the 10th detreeing really yielded an exciting par 4, from the old bowling alley tree lined enclosed on one side by a high ridge that was the old. 

RTJ bunkers were quite in prominence.  I can't really say what the old Allison-Colt configurations looked like.  At any rate, the bunkering was dramatic, relavant to play and not just eyecandy - inviting great tee shots to take them on or flirt with lines of charm, and some greenside bunkers were literally 8-10ft flashed up walls - Very scary!   

I found that my favorite spot on the course was standing aside 8 par 3 and watching tee ball and second on shorty par 4 9th, and one can step over a few paces and watch down into the valley from the high ridge to observe play on 10.  I would love to play that loop alone over and over.  Not that I wouldn't love to play the entire course.

8 par 3 is a snarly shortish  165 yarder, slightly uphill, with enormously deep bunker front left, and pretty significant bunker front right, very narrow green opening between the two.  With a carry of shelves behind the two fronting bunkers onto a small green, that is pretty much canted back to front, but with shaved or clipped VERY steep back green down to a very deep ravine, where the rough doesn't start, to stop the ball untill it has run behind and down from the green a good 50ft or so.  I just loved the hole.

9th is a shorty par 4 tee off over the ravine up to a hllside landing area, with nest of bunkers right and then down the ridge to service road and 10 corridor below.  The remaining approach shot is up to a very false fronted green guarded by bunkers all around.  A smaller front left bunker with the false front of about 20ft wide, and then a fronting big right bunker, and then a small pot directly behind the green, with a large bunker back right of the green.  The whole green complex tilts down right with all the surrounds and rear of the green are clipped short right up to the clubhouse, and if you go long there is a very good chance to run down right and even down to 10 teeing area.  But, the small green is also overhung from back right by a large oak, that hangs over the back of the green and back right bunker.  I really have to give it more thought as far as if I like that feature or not.  It makes for a very ticklish situation, on the approach shot, which should come from on high and from only 90-120ish yards, yet too long will nip the tree, and lord knows what will happen, or it might drop into the back right bunker, or goes in unpredictable bounding onto the short clipping and runaway.  (I guess I'd have to play that approach shot about a 100 times to determine if I love it, hate it, but I don't think I'd be indifferent...  ;) ;D )

Then as Phil states, the now long par 4 was a hole benched along the whole right side ridge, with a series of bunkers below the ridge on the right side of FW, and now opened up from de-treeing rough  up the left.  The approach from the LZ is to a benched into hillside green, benched from the high right, with slope down to the left.  When I looked at it, 12 at Kingsley club entered my mind...


The best funny moment was the evening last pairing.  A finishing player on that 9th, hit a duck hook into the left trees hillside rough, leaving about 120 uphill through jail, to the the very false fronted green.  It looked like a pretty impossible task to get it on the green.  I figured he'd play safe and try to punch it to the bottom of the false front and chip on.  Well he spanked what looked like a 7I, low below the tree limbs and ran right up the false front to the top of the false front precipice, but it looked for a long time as if it would not hold and trickle down to the bottom about 20-30 ft below the green or even into the corner of the front bunker.  But, it seemed miraculous that it held the precipace.  Well, Pat Sisk the superintendent, was sitting right there next to the green complex watching the finishing group and reportedly saw the spanking shot and the ball climb and hold the top of the false front precipece, and allegedly turned to his companion in the easy-go and said, that won't happen tomorrow.  As a group of us gathered there in the afterglow of the finishing group, a crew with a roller were already deploying to roll the green and false front!   ;) ;D ;D

The atmosphere at the event was just wonderful.  Everyone on the USGA staff were just very welcoming and friendly. 

I'd like to say that I had a particularly good time meeting and watching the morning round with Brendan Dolan, a graduating turf student at the UW.  We were a matched pair, since Brendan was wearing his crew gear from his internship at BallyNeal, and I in my BallyNeal golf shirt and Wild Horse hat.  Brendan had a great summer working and playing the sand hill courses, so we had plenty to chat about as we followed play through the course.   We saw several holes played by Mark Mandel with his GCA.com bro Jason on the bag, and walked with their Dad, David.  We even hit a sports bar nearby between morn and afternoon rounds to catch up on the football games before returning to catch much of the afternooners.

And, Big John VB was doing his thing as an official walking with the pairings in morn and afternoon rounds.  Then aftewards it was a real pleasure to have some beers into the evening where they had quite a steakfry spread for the staff.  I hung for quite a while with other officials including Mark Studer, Chris Cupid, Ward Johnson, Pete the Omaha Kid, and others... Thanks fellow for a nice evening of GCA talk and sharing some of your enjoyable golf stories...

And, yes Tom Paul, your ears were ringing, as we talked about you and the Philly guys and their courses...  ;) ;D ::) 8)
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