[Mike Hendren]

"I'm not a great Ross fan; I don't think it's good that a decent shot can be ejected form the green."

[Tim Gavrich]

Couldn't one argue that it couldn't have been a decent shot if it was ejected from the green?  That Ross's standards were higher for players?

Sounds like an older quote.  RTJ Sr.?

[cary lichtenstein]

"I'm not a great Ross fan; I don't think it's good that a decent shot can be ejected form the green."

me

[Rich Goodale]

The bi-penultimate tyop would suggest me, but I would never have said that, having always thought that Pinehurst #2 was an anomaly in Ross' portfolio.

[Tim Bert]

Nicklaus?

[Garland Bayley]

New Hillbilly Tour member John Kirk.

[RSLivingston_III]

Obviously someone lacking the approaching shot skills required.
Decent shots will usually get you bogey or worse at great courses in the US. VG to great is required for most of these courses to make par, let alone birdie.
I heard this some years back when I first played CD, and I think it holds true on top rated courses.

[Wayne Wiggins, Jr.]

"I'm not a great Ross fan; I don't think it's good that a decent shot can be ejected form the green."

Was it Wayne Morrison?

[Jeff_Brauer]

P2 is an different type of Ross course.

Interesting concept of a "decent shot".  For whom and for what course?

Certainly decent is different for a Tour Player and even good am, not to mention the hack.

Can "decent" be a moving target from course to course?  What's wrong with certain courses racheting up the level of "decency" needed to hold greens, just like OH did for putting at the recent PGA?

That said, I wouldn't want to play too many P2 courses. I'm just not good enough.

[hhuffines]

Would it be the writer/editor from Golf named Pepper?  He seems to hate old #2.

[Mike Hendren]

Robert Trent Jones II in a recent Golf World magazine interview.  Tim's close.

The quote was preceeded by:  "My father was my mentor.  He would point out to me a lot of things, like that Donald Ross's courses had crowned greens for drainage not architectural reasons."

Some really quirky comments in the article, including an off-the-cuff suggestion that Harry Colt designed Pine Valley (here we go again).  I can't find a link to the article and in fairness to the publisher won't recreate it in bulk.  Notwithstanding Ballyneal he takes credit for first creating ribbon tees that are not flat at Chambers Bay. 

Mike

[Jeff_Brauer]

Mike,

I have personally heard RTJII speak of non level tees dating back at least 3 or 4 years.  I don't know the time line of Ballyneal but RTJ may have a legit claim to the idea.

[Sean_A]

The quote was preceeded by:  "My father was my mentor.  He would point out to me a lot of things, like that Donald Ross's courses had crowned greens for drainage not architectural reasons."
Mike

Since when has drainage not been an architectural feature?  Besides, were crowned greens really a Ross trademark? 

Ciao

[Tom_Doak]

Jeff Brauer:

I think if history can be served that Jay Blasi probably got the idea for the ribbon tees that aren't flat from the 12th tee at Pacific Dunes, which their whole crew visited early on in the Chambers Bay project.  Of course, Bobby has never been to Pacific Dunes or to Ballyneal, so he can claim it's his own idea.

I don't claim it's our idea ... I have seen unlevel tees in many places across the world since I started traveling.

[Jeff_Brauer]

Tom,

I heard Bobby propose that idea at the ASGCA meeting of May 2003.  Does that fit with your time frame of being after his crew's visit to PD during Chambers Bay?

Either way, I don't think its a new idea, either from the very old courses, or new ones built not very well....... But, he proposed unlevel teeing grounds and not using tees as a way to offset distance increases and bring back skill.  Again, I couldn't know for sure whether they were original ideas, and upon reflection, would say they at least had genesis elsewhere.

[Dave_Miller]

"I'm not a great Ross fan; I don't think it's good that a decent shot can be ejected form the green."

Must have been Pat Mucci  oh no probably Tommy Paul but more likely John Daly
Best
Dave

[Dave_Miller]

 

Since when has drainage not been an architectural feature?  Besides, were crowned greens really a Ross trademark? 

Ciao

Sean
Good point!  Ask Tom Paul to tell the story of how Pinehurst No.2 got crowned greens. It was after Ross was dead and buried in Newton, MA.
Best
Dave

[David Stamm]

 

Since when has drainage not been an architectural feature?  Besides, were crowned greens really a Ross trademark? 

Ciao

Sean
Good point!  Ask Tom Paul to tell the story of how Pinehurst No.2 got crowned greens. It was after Ross was dead and buried in Newton, MA.
Best
Dave

Topdressing, no? I seem remember Klein telling me that this reputation of Ross having these extremely crowned greens by design is a myth.

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