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John Kavanaugh

Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« on: August 18, 2008, 11:57:04 PM »
I was lucky enough a couple of weeks ago to answer a Craigslist ad from Gill looking for someone to exchange either lodging or transportation costs for free golf as he made his way across the midwest rating courses for an obscure publication call The Illustrated American Golfer.  Lucky for me I have a corporate gas card and some free time.  Gill, that's what his friends call him, is a true architectural aficionado that bleeds the love of the game like few others on this board.  Lucky for me he is also a huge wrestling fan as we had a great time Sunday night at SummerSlam watching the Taker beat Edge in a fantastic "Hell in a cell match" that while exciting was no match, match wise that is, for Mankind's recent cage extravaganza.  But I digress.

Gill is the kind of golf critic that knows how to give back to the game.  We would meet after every round to count tees, scorecards and the occasional yardage books that he sells on Ebay to finance his quest of the greatest courses in America.  Nothing beats packaging tees in bakers dozen sets while talking about the great architecture our fine country presents.  I can't believe how naive assistant pros are when you palm three scorecards for one round.  Gill told me that if they ever say a word to explain that when hitting a tee shot off line you always place a ball in prime position and play in, needing of course an extra card for the stats.  At $5 a pop on Ebay, who can blame him given the high cost of travel from course to to course.

I know that you guys who know me would have thought by now I would have taken a six iron to the back of Gillettes's head, but he really opened my eyes and heart to how a passion for architecture can drive a person to make questionable moral choices in his quest for educating the ignorant public.

A little about Gill.  He was born in 1969 the bastard child of a student of the University of Wisconsin.  He told me his mother went to the Democratic convention in Chicago in 68 as a flaming Republican and came away pregnant and liberal after being smashed, gassed and passed by a writer for the Black Panther publication Cat Tales.  A somewhat mainstream publication intended to transform white protestants into militant black activists who were against a free Palestine.  I was lucky enough to meet Gill's mother on the Casino Queen in East St. Louis right after she hit the 1000 mark on the free spin on the Wheel of Fortune slots.  A hippie princess she remains to this day with eight fingernails painted gold and two black thumbnails keeping her rooted in reality.

Our trip around Muirfield Village was worth every slide of my gas card.  Gill, as he likes to remind me, has razor sharp eyes to go with his rapier wit.  I was surprised at his abiltity to point out the contributions of Nicklaus against the backbone of the Muirhead routing.  Every strategic nuance was at the tip of his tongue before his ball hit the ground.  It was a religious experience.  He has asked of me two things....One...He would like for each of you to check your local Craigslists for when he may be coming to your area.  And, Two...He is trepidant against posting on this forum, because of his travels throughout the country incognito of sorts, but would like to participate by answering questions about his motivation, experience and opinions on the great courses of the world.  I have agreed to act as his musei and traspond the answers to any questions you may have.

If you do not wish to ask question of Gillette on this forum and am more comfortable in private please send all requests to Gillette Silver - An American Rater at spooon@usa.net and I will either send you his answer back privately or on here whichever you choose.  Please...no spam as Gill is very busy answering his many Craigslist inquireries and would hate to be mistaken as rude or impolite through a nonresponse.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2008, 01:15:55 AM by John Kavanaugh »

John_Conley

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 12:08:59 AM »
The obvious question is why would a raging Republican attend the Democratic National Convention?  I think his story is a hoax.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 12:11:27 AM »
The obvious question is why would a raging Republican attend the Democratic National Convention?  I think his story is a hoax.


If only Democrats showed up how do you explain the riots?  I can't believe the only rednecks in Chicago that day were in uniform.  You got to give his mother a little credit for being curious.

John_Conley

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 12:29:38 AM »
The protesters were radicals.  Normally flaming Republicans - or ardent supporters of any beliefs - aren't interested in others' views.

Tell your new friend to send me the order form for his magazine.  I love pictures of golf courses and Links Mag can use a little company.  Is this a monthly?

John Kavanaugh

Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 12:50:44 AM »
The protesters were radicals.  Normally flaming Republicans - or ardent supporters of any beliefs - aren't interested in others' views.

Tell your new friend to send me the order form for his magazine.  I love pictures of golf courses and Links Mag can use a little company.  Is this a monthly?


Gill told me to email him at raterking@gmail.com and he would send me out his bi-monthly reviews of golf courses as he finds them.  He didn't use a camera during our rounds and said that he is more interested in painting a picture in words than bits and tids.  He is a master of the bad pun.  I know that he was headed south and told me to check on the Atlanta Craiglist postings for his next sighting.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 02:06:40 AM »
Quote
....He told me his mother went to the Democratic convention in Chicago in 68 as a flaming Republican and came away pregnant and liberal after being smashed, gassed and passed by a writer for the Black Panther publication Cat Tales. ...

You sure she wasn't another one of those 'agent provocatuers' planted to help foment a riot and discredit the peacenik movement? 

So, what are Gill's top ten you can play?

I hope Gill isn't your own best golf rater buddy version of Harvey...
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Doug Sobieski

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 08:35:28 AM »
Conley:

You need to find out if this guy Gill has played that "course" in coastal Georgia that nobody can find (remember that article from 2002 or so you posted about?). I bet he's a member there  ;) 

Sobe

John Kavanaugh

Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2008, 09:15:23 AM »


So, what are Gill's top ten you can play?


Dick,

We didn't get into specific lists but Gill did tell me his favorite place in the world is the Bethpage complex where he used to hang out with Biggie Smalls half brother George Letore, Jr.  He told me stories I can't pass on without his permission.  You can email Gill at raterking@gmail.com and I am sure he will provide you with his personal top 10.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2008, 09:30:42 AM »
John -

I learned a little about Gill (if I can call him that), but more importantly I learned something about you.  It's touching that you could form such a close bond of affection with someone you'd normally despise.  I guess your shared love of golf -- and of people -- is the glue...

Peter 

Ryan Farrow

Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2008, 10:15:32 AM »
How cute.... John has an imaginary friend now.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2008, 10:40:48 AM »
How cute.... John has an imaginary friend now.


Ryan,

That is really not fair.  If you are going to be near Atlanta in September you need to apply to go on Gill's next trip through this craigslist link http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eve/802954309.html He is one of the most interesting architectural experts I have ever met.

He wouldn't tell me the exact relationship but he is named Gillette because of the close ties his mother had with noted voice over artist and inventor of the disposable razor Paul Winchell.  Gill is also an expert in the arts of acupuncture and ventriloquism.  He can make bunkers speak to you in the voice of the architect.  Funny and enlightening.

cary lichtenstein

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2008, 10:42:05 AM »
How cute.... John has an imaginary friend now.

My grandson has an imaginery friend also, Sam is 9 and my granddaughter plays with Barbie's. John, I can set up a play date for you with either Sam or Jade.
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

W.H. Cosgrove

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2008, 10:46:11 AM »
Gill should look up Sidd Finch and compare notes.  There stories have some eerie similarities.

Give them both our best.

Dan Herrmann

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2008, 11:12:09 AM »
Jaka - you DO know that professional wrestling is staged, right?

Hmmm - Talking bunkers.  This is getting interesting!

Jed Peters

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2008, 11:15:15 AM »
John,

Why is being an asshole so important to you?

Thanks,

Jed


John Kavanaugh

Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2008, 11:27:44 AM »
Jaka - you DO know that professional wrestling is staged, right?


This was the first time I had sat ringside at a major sporting event.  The highlight of the evening was getting to keep our chairs.  One thing that I have learned about lovers of architecture is their unlimited generosity.  On the way out of Conseco Fieldhouse a young Hispanic boy wearing a Mephisto mask approached us and asked if he could buy one of our chairs with a crumpled $20 bill he held in his small hand.  Gill handed it over to him without a word and told the boy to buy his mother something pretty with the cash.  That was all the real I needed for my money.

A link to a like chair currently for sale on ebay: http://tinyurl.com/5dmplw
« Last Edit: August 19, 2008, 11:29:22 AM by John Kavanaugh »

John_Conley

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2008, 11:58:03 AM »
Conley:

You need to find out if this guy Gill has played that "course" in coastal Georgia that nobody can find (remember that article from 2002 or so you posted about?). I bet he's a member there  ;) 

Sobe

Phillip Young is the expert on that one.  You can maybe resurrect the thread by searching for my thread on Eau Claire CC as the "Greatest Course You've Never Heard Of".

John_Conley

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2008, 12:04:06 PM »
Reply to: raterking@gmail.com
Date: 2008-08-19, 12:46AM EDT

I am looking to trade free golf for transportation or lodging considerations. I am a leading critic for the quassi publication The Illustrated American Golfer and can aquire free golf though my many connections. Please contact me with PG pics and architectural qualifications   
 
Location: Southern States
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 802954309


I am unclear how this exchange works.  Jaka played with him at Muirfield Village.  Does this mean Jaka accepted a comp and bunked with Gill?  We are talking about someone whose disdain for quid pro quo rater golf is only exceeded by his homophobia.

And why did Gill's Craigslist offer only appear today?

I wish Barn well in his endeavor to help his new friend.  I may be in the distinct minority, but I don't care one iota about his Top 10 list of anything.

John_Conley

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2008, 12:08:48 PM »
This was the first time I had sat ringside at a major sporting event. 

Ah yes, ringside.  A friend in the radio ad sales game took me to a big event about 6 years ago and I actually read the script over Jerry Lawler's shoulder.  For about half the show.  One of the many stagehands saw what I was doing and had "the King" crouch over it for the remainder.

The night ended with Stone Cold Steve Austin putting on a spectacle involving several Stunners, a case of Natty Light, and oodles of working-class charm that had nearly ever patron swapping a twenty on the way out for a black tee bearing his likeness.  In lieu of dental care.

I'll pass on the chair.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2008, 12:18:14 PM »
John,

I've done quite a few tag-a-long comps with well known raters from the board.  My desire to choose a stall over a urinal in public has more to do with being pee shy than homophobic.  I sincerely hope I have never offended anyone on this site simply because of their sexual preferences.

Dan Herrmann

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2008, 12:31:13 PM »
John - my dad grew up with a professional wrestler (1950's and 1960's) known as "The Masked Destroyer".  A damn good athlete in his day, he ended up hosting a TV show in Japan. 

On the craiglist post, what does "PG" pictures mean?

John_Conley

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2008, 12:37:30 PM »
 I sincerely hope I have never offended anyone on this site simply because of their sexual preferences.

Gotta claim bull on that one.  You categorized someone you'd never met as gay and it certainly was intended as an insult.  (It wouldn't have been relevant otherwise.)

Nice try.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2008, 01:13:18 PM »
PG pictures requests no nudity.

Jed Peters

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2008, 01:13:32 PM »
John:

Can you please answer the question posited above?

Thanks,

Jed


John_Conley

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Re: Gillette Silver - An American Rater
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2008, 01:25:54 PM »
John:

Can you please answer the question posited above?

Thanks,

Jed

Not sure how to respond.  Is one of my posts indicative of asshole behavior?