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Matt_Cohn

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Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« on: June 15, 2008, 09:21:52 PM »
He said it. Anyone?

Mike Sweeney

Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 08:41:51 PM »
Just saw it mentioned on The Golf Channel.




http://www.tigerwoodsdesign.com/Global/Courses/Punta%20Brava.aspx

65 miles south of San Diego
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Tim Copeland

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 09:03:48 PM »
Who is the builder??
I need a nickname so I can tell all that I know.....

Sean Leary

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 09:04:15 PM »
17 tees or greens sit on the ocean? Is it on a peninsula? Just trying to imagine a routing that does that...

Brad Tufts

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 09:08:05 PM »
6835, par 70...hmmm...
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

TX Golf

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 10:04:02 PM »
It doesn't look like any of us in the normal golfing public will be seeing any of Tiger's courses in the near future. I have to say.... the pictures of the Dubai property were pretty impressive... but that Mexico property looks absolutely stunning.

Neil_Crafter

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2008, 10:09:25 PM »
damn........another project I missed out on. Wonder why they didn't call?
 ;)

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2008, 10:33:15 PM »
Who is the developer behind this project? Where are the buyers of the villas and residences coming from in this economy?


ooops....I didn't see this in the thread below:

It will include roughly 125 homes with prices beginning from $3 million for a one-acre vacant lot and $3.5 million for a condo. There will also be a clubhouse, restaurant, spa and a 20-unit private hotel. The development's site was inaccessible by land until developers built a road. The plan is for people to arrive by boat, drive or fly in to a private airport about 20 minutes away. Opening is slated for 2011; sales began today.

The developer is the Flagship Group, whose principals include Red McCombs, co-founder of Clear Channel Communications and former owner of the San Antonio Spurs, the Denver Nuggets and Minnesota Vikings.

By the way, why can't the moderators here merge duplicate threads?

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Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 12:19:08 AM »
They have impressive website terms and conditions....
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

TX Golf

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2008, 12:33:37 AM »
There is also a routing of the course on the website puntabrava.com for those interested in the amount of ocean holes.

It doesn't look like they sacrificed any of the ocean front property for housing!!!!

The course also has 5 par 3's, including back to back over the water par 3's on 16 and 17... Almost Cypressesq!!!
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Rob Rigg

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2008, 12:41:13 AM »
Based on the topography and native landscape - how much will it cost to build that course?

The setting is nothing short of spectacular - the 17th appears to be teetering on the edge of cliff.


Jeff Doerr

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2008, 12:41:40 AM »
Here is the graphic. 1-10 on the top and 11 thru 18 on the bottom of the master plan image.

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Rob Rigg

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2008, 12:47:28 AM »
Has anyone ever seen another course that has three Par 3s with "ocean" carries?

The 10th, 16th and 17th all seem to be very similar.

I am sure most architects would be ecstatic to do that once on a course, is three times overkill or just making the most of the land?

Jeff Doerr

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2008, 01:03:48 AM »
Rob,

I'm seeing a downhill shot a big green on 2, downhill fade on 6, a shorter flat fade on 10, a short downhill precise distant shot on 16 and mod to long draw on 17.

18 sure does remind of Pebble.


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Jim Nugent

Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2008, 01:27:57 AM »
Who is the developer behind this project? Where are the buyers of the villas and residences coming from in this economy?



Suppose the financial system and economy keep falling.  Will this project get completed? 

Rob Rigg

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2008, 01:29:05 AM »
Jeff - agreed.

Although for the average golfer - 10, 16, 17 - are all heart pounding water carries without much room for error if you want to take a shot at the green.

I should have been more specific - the setting on 10, 16 and 17 are very similar - ie) "ocean" carries which are few and far between in golf.

When DMK discusses the Castle Course at St Andrews he mentions how the 17th was clearly the "must have" par 3 on the course because of the water carry and they went to great lengths to ensure it could be built - including buying additional land.

Tiger was obviously fortunate enough to have a setting where he could create 3 of these holes on one course.

Is that overkill or the "right" thing to do provided that each hole plays somewhat or even slightly differently?

Rob Rigg

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2008, 01:35:33 AM »
There are a lot of places in Mexico (and everywhere else) that are going to get crushed with the meltdown, but I wonder if the places like this that are selling for $3M a pop will be in the clear, provided the developer is well capitalized, because if you can pay that much dough you probably have cash in the bank (only insured up to $250k  ;D).

The resort down the street, where a bunch of people just bought the $500k to $1M condos with 5% down, on the other hand, is going to roll over for sure . . .  :'(

Jon Spaulding

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2008, 08:03:40 AM »
Fascinating! It's been years, but we used to stay at Estero Beach which was fun, to put it mildly :-X . But then again, a blockbuster card counted as ID, fireworks were legal, hell, even Gerardo was charting with a sassy, catchy Mexican showtune called "Rico Suave".  The blowhole, La Bufadora, is adjacent to the property (interesting when the surf is up). Isla Todos Santos is just offshore; one of the more famous big wave surfing locales.

The pictures don't do the scale of this peninsula justice. Regarding the course; don't see how any architect could screw this one up from a postcard/calendar/perspective....from a design perspective remains to be seen how the Woods people will perform. The property looks to be fairly sloping ala Stone Eagle.

The parallel interior holes are of great interest; the use of shared hazards looks to be addressed on 14/15..and 4/5....a positive on paper at least. More importantly is the manner with which they will choose to separate some of these holes:

- semi-connected (Doak/Stone Eagle)
- subtlety adjacent yet private (Park Jr./Maidstone)
- obnoxiously adjacent yet private (Fazio/Shadow Creek)
- mounded, complete crap (Robinson, et al)

Here's hoping for one of the first two.....
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Anthony Gray

Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2008, 08:19:13 AM »
Has anyone ever seen another course that has three Par 3s with "ocean" carries?



  Casa De Campo's Teeth of the Dog in the Dominican Republic. The other par 3 is an island green surrounded by sand.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2008, 08:31:44 AM »
Who is the builder??

Did this question get answered?

Also, who is his Architect?

John Kavanaugh

Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2008, 08:32:12 AM »
If Tiger has any fault, one that may make him the champion he is, is that he is an over the top kind of guy.  Can anyone name any subtle choice he has made when it comes to the aesthetic of anything?  His wife, boat, caddie, Sasquatch, College, cut of his jib are all over the top.  What else could his golf design be?

Kenny Baer

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2008, 08:54:22 AM »
From what I have read I have a feeling that Tiger's designs will be the kind of Arch that us GCA'ers love.  Walkable, Old School, and unique.  Remember Tiger's favorite course in the world is TOC.  I read where he wants his course in the Cliffs to be walkable.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2008, 09:00:36 AM »
Given the beautifully classic Titleist Driver that he used before signing with Nike and comparing that to the Sasquatch, seeing should be believing.  Have any of you bought a Nike shirt?  The European cut is hardly user friendly.

JMorgan

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2008, 09:04:57 AM »
Here is the graphic. 1-10 on the top and 11 thru 18 on the bottom of the master plan image.



Does anyone know how the prevailing winds hit the site?

Brad Tufts

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2008, 09:30:25 AM »
Looks like three par 5s.....#4, #11, and #14, and 5 par 3s....#2, #6, #10, #16 and #17 (CP homage?...17 looks longish).

35-35-70.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

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