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Chris Cupit

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Re: Will private clubs in America survive committee governance?
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2008, 11:42:06 PM »
Peter,

You have a very young average age for your club that many would envy.

I am going off of memory but for residents who live on a golf course I am 99% sure that it is less than 35% who are even golfers according to the NGF and for the industry as a whole, a club would be fortunate to get 20% participation from the surrounding neighborhoods most of which do not mandate club membership with a lot purchase (although that is becoming a trend at some higher end developments--you must join as at least a social member if you live in the community).

After the development is sold out and any developer subsidy is gone, that's when the fun of running the club as a business begins ;)


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Peter Wagner

Re: Will private clubs in America survive committee governance?
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2008, 11:55:15 PM »
Chris,
No, the national average per NGF is 35% homeowner buy in.  This points to a potential problem: is the golf community offering a product of interest to this 35%?  Given that the bulk of the 5000 course built in the U.S. in the last 20 years were residential it would seem that we have a built in target market to mine.

Yes we have an usually low average age and it's something we cultivate.  We are currently drafting a membership plan to attract 20-somethings.

We took our club early from the RE developer last July so the fun has already started for us! 

- Peter

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Mike_Young

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Re: Will private clubs in America survive committee governance?
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2016, 03:50:55 PM »
I think we are about to see some things stir with management companies taking over for committees..it was bound to happen and this thread was 8 years ago...
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Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Will private clubs in America survive committee governance?
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2016, 05:34:35 PM »
Quote from: Mike_Young on May 09, 2016, 03:50:55 PM
I think we are about to see some things stir with management companies taking over for committees..it was bound to happen and this thread was 8 years ago...

If clubs/committees think it through, they will think about how much control they have before signing off to a management company. They lose a lot of power once they do...
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Anthony J. Nysse
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Apogee Club
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Steve Lang

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Re: Will private clubs in America survive Clubcorp governance?
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2016, 05:41:42 PM »
 8)  Real question is will Privates survive Clubcorp?


First thing done was spend money on F&B environment... now how can a real golf club not be able to host a full 144 player field in their dining room?  oh, forgot its for the social members...
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Will private clubs in America survive committee governance?
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2016, 10:24:03 PM »
I just learned that Philmont CC (established in 1906) in suburban Philadelphia has hired Brown Golf Management- " The Leader in Golf Facility Turnarounds" ...


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