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Ran Morrissett

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...and the subject is Wayne Stiles.

Sometimes you come across a course that impresses you so much that you want to play more of that architect’s work (i.e. the quality of the holes is so good that there is no way it was beginner’s luck). Such was the case for me after playing Black Mesa three years ago and High Pointe fourteen years prior. Before those, another pleasant surprise was playing Taconic. At the time, and this was in the late 1980s, I had never heard of Wayne Stiles or John Van Kleek. The design appeared simple with nothing contrived yet it was full of challenge, all the while embodying the virtues of its New England setting.

To this day, Taconic’s design stands out against the clutter of most modern architecture, and thus it is always refreshing to return here. On one such trip, a friend pushed his tee ball into the creek bed down the right of the third fairway. From a rocky lie with trees between him and the green, he proceeded to drain :o his blind four iron approach shot. Informed of his heroics as he climbed up the bank, he responded smartly by saying “Well, that’s all I could do with that shot.” :P

Stupidly, I haven’t made it to other Stiles and Van Kleek courses. However, a clear road map of their talent is now available and that is found by reading Bob Labbance’s and Kevin Mendik’s recently released book entitled The Life and Work of Wayne Stiles.  In an effort to shine the light on their other works, Taconic isn’t addressed in this Feature Interview but it does get its own chapter in their book. Gems like Rutland Country Club, Country Club of Barre, and North Haven where golf is all about having fun get center stage. As Kevin points out in the answer to one question, ‘I would like to dispel one misconception about all courses: that golf has to be difficult to be good. Golf can be easy and be great at the same time.‘ That sentiment really resonates with me as does Bob’s concluding thoughts on Stiles & Van Kleek when he writes, ‘They pleased their clients. They brought golf to locales that otherwise wouldn’t have it. They built courses everyone could have fun playing. They planned features that could be maintained with modest budgets. They gave other people credit when credit was due. They mentored. And they were good people.’ 

Previously, not much was available on Stiles so Bob’s and Kevin’s new book fills a  void. Background information and design philosophies are covered in detail. Also, some of their ‘missing links’ like Crawford Notch in New Hampshire and Holly Hill in Florida are brought to life. After learning more about Stiles in this month’s Feature Interview, see if you agree when Geoffrey Cornish told Bob that Stiles might be ‘the most underrated golf course architect in the Northeast and maybe the entire country’.

Cheers,

Mike Sweeney

Here are some old pics of North Haven:

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,25025.0.html

I know a bunch of guys here are attending the Labbance outing but unfortunately that is bad timing for me.

Thanks for the interview and the book.

John Kavanaugh

3. When and where did Stiles build his first great course?

KM: For me, the answer is simply a subjective call. From a purely historical perspective and given that it was the only Stiles course where a major was contested, Norwood Hills stands out.

BL: Wayne Stiles’ first great course has to be Norwood Hills Country Club in St. Louis. How Stiles became associated with an organization in the Midwest remains a mystery. All of his work until that time had been done in the Northeast, whether it was landscape architecture or golf course design. His 18-hole course at Nashua Country Club was surely better than most layouts from 1916 and perhaps that is what led to the work in St. Louis.

From the 1890s on wealthy business owners from the industrial Midwest escaped to the relatively clean environments of New England for part of each summer. One such example is the Abenaqui Country Club in Rye, New Hampshire—founded by St. Louis transplants. It is not inconceivable that someone from that club saw his work at Nashua and recommended him for the job in St. Louis. In any event, Stiles, before his association with John Van Kleek, landed the contract to install 45 holes of golf on a rolling verdant expanse of land perfect for golf. The architect designed a championship course, a playing course and a nine hole learning facility. Using his training in landscape architecture he identified which trees to cultivate, which trees to eliminate, and where to plant others that, over time, would not restrict the options available to the player but rather enhance the strategic possibilities.

It is a testament to his skill that magnificent specimen trees remain today; the golf courses have needed little modernization; and the club has flourished—maintaining one of the largest memberships in the region. Praise for the course at the 1948 PGA championship was universal. Although the nine hole course is gone the two remaining 18-hole layouts are beautiful and an absolute pleasure to play.


I love Norwood Hills and am happy other people do as well.  I have always felt the tree management is amazing given my desire to find shade on a hot humid St. Louis day and the need to find a green or two in the process.  I hope more architects and critics can learn to embrace this important relatationship between trees and golf.


John Mayhugh

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These interviews are great.  I especially enjoyed this comment from Bob:
"But I would like to dispel one misconception about all courses: that golf has to be difficult to be good. Golf can be easy and be great at the same time."

I missed the photos of North Haven when they were originally posted.  Now there is another place I just have to get to and soon.  It looks fantastic.

John K,
Do you have any photos that exemplify the tree management approach at Norwood Hills?  I'm neither a tree hugger nor hater and certainly love having a few around during the summer!

Willie_Dow

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Look at the front cover (bottom picture) of "The Life and Work of Wayne Stiles".

Behind that tree on the left are elevated, almost flat, bunkers which throw the ball down to a sloping away green.  One of the most difficult penalty shots one could ask for.

Hooper Golf Club, Walpole, NH, is as described by Bob is "one of the finest layouts from Stiles and Van Kleek, designed in 1927 just before work at the Rutland Country Club."

A nine-holer with lunch on the porch "followed by a second loop".

Michael Powers

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Ran,
Thank you for the interview.  The book is outstanding and will be a excellent resource for years to come. 

6. In general, what are the defining characteristics of a Stiles & Van Kleek course?

KM: If I had to list one, it would be the use of high ground for greens and tees. This may sound simplistic, but for those of us fortunate to have visited as many Stiles courses as we have, its hard not to notice how often one hits an uphill approach shot or tees from an elevated spot.

This is without a doubt one feature of Stile's courses that is prevelent.  This results in many blind shots and semi-blind shots especially at more hilly sites like Pine Brook and Marlborough.  I wonder if this can actually be viewed as a negative when so many holes seem alike with an elevated tee, a fairway below, followed by an elevated green.  While Pine Brook's condition is almost without equal, I find the lack of variety a little monotonous. 
HP

John Kavanaugh

Michael,

One of the things that makes playing Norwood Hills so much fun is that one 18 is designed as you say...down the hill - up the hill...while the other 18 is designed along the tops, or ridges, of each hill.  The more hilly course plays as tough as the valley/ridge course despite being a thousand yds shorter.

Michael Powers

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John,
If I am ever in SL, I will definitely try to work out a game at Norwood.  It sounds like a special place. 
HP

Jay Kirkpatrick

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Michael,

Isn't the up-down-up style a routing feature of a bunch of major designers both past and present? I know a bunch of D. Ross and E. Maples designs around NC have this characteristic.

ANTHONYPIOPPI

A really great interview and Bob turns in some of the best answers out of any of the Feature Interviews.

11. What course would most benefit from a proper restoration?

BL: I am a golf writer not a golf course architect. Asking me to recommend courses that should be restored is like asking an architect which of my articles should be rewritten. Stick to your own area of expertise; I defer to those with training in that field.

Anthony

Michael Powers

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Jay,
While the elevated tee to a fairway below followed by an uphill aproach is certainly common, on hilly Stiles sites like the ones mentioned (especially Pine Brook, Marshfield, Marlborough and Larry Gannon, which any Stiles enthusiast would consider some of his finest work) most of the par 4's and 5's hold this feature.  For example, at PB, holes 1, 3, 6, 7, and 8 are like this.  And that is just the front 9.  I would prefer a more balanced routing whereby the player is offered a variety of looks rather than the constant downhill tee shots and uphill approaches. 
HP

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