Scott:
I'm not directing what I said above at you, just those on here who have very little experience with either topo maps or on-site analysis pre-design and construction. Maybe some on here are off-the-charts with spatial sense or some immediate knack for completely understanding how a topo matches ground without any experience. But for the rest, they shouldn't feel bad because I think I can virtually prove that George Crump had very little idea what he was doing with his topo map a number of months into his Pine Valley. I think he had a very good idea what he was trying to accomplish on the ground but he did have a hard time figuring out where what he was doing on the ground was exactly on his topo map, and I think that's completely explained by that interesting note he put on top of his first topo map effort.
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Sure, I'd enjoy watching you work on a routing or design in some office with just a topo map, but again, what you were doing wouldn't mean much to me until we took what you were doing with the topo out on the site!
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I'm sure topo map talent for architects is great but I feel if some architect doesn't have that it may not mean much if he really knows what he's doing on the ground.