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Sean_Tully

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Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« on: March 20, 2008, 05:54:59 PM »

No, not the The Links!

The book is, "Speaking Out for America's Poor: A Millionaire Socialist in the Progressive Era," by Edward Allan Brawley.

I received an email from Allan Brawley that his book discussion will be televised on C-Span 2 over the weekend.

Here is a link to the C-Span 2 website....

http://booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=9161&SectionName=History&PlayMedia=No/


If anyone is the least bit interested in Robert Hunter, this should be able to shed some light on him in ways that will surprise most people that only have a general understanding of the man.

Tully

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2008, 06:44:05 PM »
Thanks for this news, Tully.

As a great admirer of Robert Hunter, this is very interesting to me.

Cheers,
jeffmingay.com

David Stamm

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2008, 08:10:58 PM »
Thanks, Sean. I'll be programming the tivo!
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

ed_getka

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2008, 08:31:09 PM »
I have to work this weekend, so if anyone could make a copy for me I would appreciate it. Patients don't take weekends off. Thanks for bringing this to our attention Tully.
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2008, 08:31:39 PM »
Sean (or anyone),

Have you read "Speaking Out for America's Poor..."? If so, do you recommend it?

I've been interested to pick up this book since it came out, but haven't got around to it. I may this weekend. 
jeffmingay.com

Joshua Pettit

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2008, 09:22:42 PM »
Jeff,

I've read about half of it, and its a very interesting read.  Unfortunately I have been too busy to finish it, but I would definitely recommend it to any fellow Hunter enthusiasts.

I'm disappointed that I won't be able to watch Dr. Brawley's book discussion, as I am in Scotland and I would imagine C-Span is hard to come by over here.  Perhaps I'll find a pub that has Satellite TV and I can persuade them to highlight C-Span 2 over football. 
"The greatest and fairest of things are done by nature, and the lesser by art."

David Stamm

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2008, 10:07:49 PM »
  Perhaps I'll find a pub that has Satellite TV and I can persuade them to highlight C-Span 2 over football. 


Good luck with that! :-*
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Lou_Duran

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2008, 10:18:59 PM »
It will be curious to see if the program informs its viewers that Hunter reversed his views regarding socialism toward the end of his life.

I don't have access to my library here, but there are references to this effect in either the MacKenzie books or Hunter's on golf. 

David Stamm

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2008, 10:23:23 PM »
It will be curious to see if the program informs its viewers that Hunter reversed his views regarding socialism toward the end of his life.

I don't have access to my library here, but there are references to this effect in either the MacKenzie books or Hunter's on golf. 


You are correct, Lou.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Jon Spaulding

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2008, 09:48:12 AM »
It will be curious to see if the program informs its viewers that Hunter reversed his views regarding socialism toward the end of his life.

I don't have access to my library here, but there are references to this effect in either the MacKenzie books or Hunter's on golf. 

It was Hunter's ability to marry rich and then drink the water in Pebble Beach & Montecito that did it, Lou. I've been to the latter a number of times and am amazed at how gracious the people are there, with the guys with shopping carts sitting in front of Lucky's asking for money ;).
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

George Pazin

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2008, 11:36:39 AM »
A friend of mine wondered aloud the other day about how folks would feel if all the great clubs were made open to all; tee times would be alloted by need and fees would be according to net worth.

P.S. I'll try to tape it and burn it to DVD, if I remember. You can tell me what's on it, I won't be watching. :)
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Tom Dunne

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2008, 11:55:09 AM »
Lou Duran,

Whether the program will cover this ground I don't know, but Professor Brawley's book deals with the change in his views brought on by the policies of the Roosevelt Administration, and does so with a fair amount of detail. It's worth seeking out.

Hunter's own book "The Links", however, does not get into politics much.

Lou_Duran

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2008, 02:43:43 PM »
Thanks guys.  I'll look into the book by Mr. Brawley and TIVO the program.

Santa Barbara/Montecito is a wonderful place as is the Valley Club.  I can see how in such a setting, one's long held beliefs may be subject to review if not outright changed, in either direction.

Joshua Pettit

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2008, 04:31:28 PM »
Santa Barbara/Montecito is a wonderful place as is the Valley Club.  I can see how in such a setting, one's long held beliefs may be subject to review if not outright changed, in either direction.

I believe that he changed his outlook on golf a bit as well, and that upon his death he had a somewhat negative feeling about the subject.
"The greatest and fairest of things are done by nature, and the lesser by art."

Lou_Duran

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2008, 05:05:21 PM »
Josh,

In what way?  Do you know where I can learn more about this?

Joshua Pettit

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2008, 07:42:12 PM »
Lou,

Perhaps my statement was a bit misleading.  What I was referring to is the fact that Hunter had a falling out with The Valley Club (I'll spare the details), which I believe left him with somewhat of a bitter attitude towards the golf industry, but not necessarily the game itself; although it seems he may have stopped playing all together by the mid to late 1930s.  Whether or not that was strictly due to health reasons is still unknown...But I do believe there was a reason that he barely mentioned his golf career in his memoirs that were written in 1941-42, just prior to his death. 

It is interesting to me that he came full circle in the last 20 years of his life.  After becoming so discouraged with politics in the east he came to california to teach in 1920.  By then he had also become extremely passionate about golf, which he always considered just a hobby.  Then after living in Berkeley and Pebble Beach he settled down in Montecito in 1928, and undertook his final, and arguably most significant endeavor of his golf career.  All this only to revert back to his somewhat evolved interest in politics for the duration of his life, in which he spent living just down the road from The Valley Club.
"The greatest and fairest of things are done by nature, and the lesser by art."

Lou_Duran

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2008, 07:52:28 PM »
Josh,

Very interesting.  How people come to their beliefs is fascinating to me.  Were his memoirs published?  If so, under what title?  Thanks.

Joshua Pettit

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2008, 08:01:27 PM »
Lou,

Hunter's memoirs were not published, but they are held at the Indiana University collections.
"The greatest and fairest of things are done by nature, and the lesser by art."

David Stamm

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2008, 08:46:19 PM »
Lou,

Hunter's memoirs were not published, but they are held at the Indiana University collections.


Honestly, I would love to see these. It sounds like it could be fascinating reading.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Mark_Fine

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Re: Robert Hunter book discussion to be on C-Span 2
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2008, 08:48:12 PM »
Forrest Richardson and I recently completed a very detailed Master Plan for the restoration/renovation of Mira Vista G&CC (formerly named Berkeley CC).  This course was Hunter's one and only design.  Those who know Mira Vista as it is now should be pretty amazed when the work is finally completed.  Here is a brief excerpt from a portion of our master plan that talks about Robert Hunter.  

Robert Hunter was born in 1874 in Terre Haute, Indiana, where he grew up the son of a factory owner who served as a colonel under Ulysses S. Grant in the American Civil War.  His father's stature in the community introduced Hunter to politics at an early age.  When a serious economic recession descended over the industrial economy of the U.S. in 1893, Hunter found his first calling – social work.  

In 1896 Hunter undertook a project that would radically change his life and, indirectly, lead him to his historic involvement in golf – he went to work at the Charity Organization Society in Chicago.  He would go on to write his first book, Tenement Conditions in Chicago (1901), and received an appointment to head the prestigious University Settlement House in New York.  Hunter's life moved quickly from there.  He married a wealthy heiress, Caroline Stokes, in 1903 and wrote Poverty, published in 1904, which catapulted him into the rarified air of politics and literature.  However, the pace of his life and the bleak realities of his work with the poor took a toll on Hunter's health and mental well-being.

“His family and friends were extremely worried about him," says Allan Brawley, professor emeritus of social work at Arizona State University and author of a new biography on Robert Hunter, Speaking Out for America's Poor: A Millionaire Socialist in the Progressive Era.  "His physician recommended sun and moderate exercise.  And so Robert Hunter came to golf sometime around 1905."

While still deeply involved in politics, Hunter enjoyed the immense freedom that his newfound wealth provided.  He played golf with many of the top golf professionals of the day and rapidly developed into an exceptional player who would win numerous amateur tournaments.  Hunter played many of the great American courses like Shinnecock Hills and The National Golf Links and was a member at Wee Burn as early as 1911.  In 1912, Hunter sailed for the British Isles to conduct an extensive study of the revered links courses.  The observations he made on that and subsequent sojourns - and the friendships he forged, including one with H.S. Colt - would come to change American golf course architecture forever.  

Over much of the next decade, Hunter operated at a fevered pace.  He remained active in politics, both as a force in the Socialist Party and as a writer.  His interest in golf, however, evolved from "therapeutic activity" into something of an obsession.  Hunter became enamored with the Scottish immigrant Donald Ross and visited Ross frequently at Pinehurst.  He began to correspond with other leading architects as well including Walter Travis, C.B. Macdonald, Devereux Emmet, George Crump, George C. Thomas, and A.W. Tillinghast.  In his mind, if not at his hand, Hunter had already begun work on his ambitious and groundbreaking book –     The Links.

In 1918, downhearted and disturbed by the state of the American Socialist movement, Hunter resigned his membership in the American Socialist Party and accepted a teaching position at the University of California in Berkeley.  Unburdened by the weight of his political involvements - at least temporarily - Hunter threw himself into his passion for golf and golf course architecture.

It was in 1920 that Hunter transformed his theoretical study of architecture into practice.  He became one of the founding fathers of the Berkeley Country Club (Mira Vista) and was elected their first secretary.  Hunter went on to develop a preliminary routing plan for the golf course on the property and even did models of the greens.  Hunter does not specifically take credit for the Mira Vista layout in his book The Links which was published in 1926.  

Sometime around 1925 Hunter contacted Alister Mackenzie for help in compiling photos and illustrations for The Links.  This led to a lasting working relationship between the two men.  In fact, it was at Hunter’s urging that Mackenzie first traveled to California in search of new design opportunities.  Together Mackenzie and Hunter would go on to change the landscape of golf in California, creating several courses that are still considered among the world’s best including Cypress Point Golf Club, Pasatiempo, and The Valley Club of Montecito.

By 1930 Hunter had essentially retired from the golf course design business.  He lived in Montecito and refocused his efforts back toward politics and writing.  Robert Hunter died in May of 1942.  The New York Times marked his passing with an editorial that acknowledged that while poverty and injustice still remained, Hunter played a role in a "beneficent change" in society.  The editorial concluded that, "His generation was the better because of the enthusiasm of his early years and wisdom of his later ones."