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Jesse Jones

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2008, 04:55:01 PM »
Put me in the Harbour Town camp also.
Five holes are really, really good. The rest, is a big "so what".
I was at first disappointed in "the deuce".
I just found through many plays that when the course is playing fast and firm and the rough is up just a little bit it's a totally different challenge. Most of the times I've played #2 the rough is grown not much higher than the fairways.
Without serious rough, the greens lose some of their teeth.
Example.
I top my tee shot in the third hole.
I'm about 225y to the green.
The rough was way down so I hit a three wood that stopped on the back left shelf of the green.
Lucky shot, however that option should not have been available. 

Mike Hendren

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2008, 06:59:40 PM »
It kept reminding me of "The Truman Show." I carefully watched the sky, lest a floodlight conk me on the noggin.

Coincidently, I'm hanging out on the front porch of Sundog Books in beautiful Seaside where The Truman Show was filmed.  Nothing falling from the sky. 

Since it's in the neighborhood I'll go with T. Fazio's Camp Creek.  Fantastic site a stones throw from the beach with a surprising amount of elevation change and plenty of sand.  Regrettably an awkward routing and not a single memorable hole.  Should have cracked Golfweek's top 100 modern list.

Mike
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Jason Mandel

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2008, 07:03:07 PM »
I have a feeling this course might grow on me, but Teeth of the Dog.

Played it off a cruise ship with rental clubs, but somehow it just didn't live up to the hype.

Jason
You learn more about a man on a golf course than anywhere else

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Eric_Terhorst

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2008, 07:22:39 PM »
This thread appears occasionally and always causes me to wonder--what is the point of expressing your "disappointment" here?  If you want to say that course is great or this one is lousy, please illuminate us all with your musings, have at it.  But what does knowing about your disappointment teach me about anything?

To say you're playing these courses and you're disappointed is like saying "I found myself in bed with Maria Sharapova, and was *disappointed* to find she's not a natural blond."

Give me a break....

Mike Golden

Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2008, 08:31:43 PM »
I just didn't get Kapalua Plantation when I was there, maybe because some of the tees were so far forward that I didn't get to play the real golf course.  I don't remember much of the golf course but the tee on #9 (is that a par 5?) were so far up my drive went down into the huge swale and by the time I got out of there I had enough of golf for one day.

It is also unwalkable so that moved it way down the list.

This is really an individual choice thing-I loved WW-Pine Barrens although I played poorly, love Pine Needles and Pasatiempo (even when soaking wet), and hated Pinehurst #8.  But don't call me a Fazio-basher because I also liked Galloway National more than Hidden Creek.  And love Talking Stick-North even though Kapalua and Hidden Creek aren't on my favorites list.  I really like most Pete Dye courses I've played (which for the most part are his lesser known ones except for TPC-Stadium and La Quinta-Mountain) but wasn't impressed with TPC Sawgrass on my one partial round (we got rained out after 6 holes), I just thought it repetitively difficult, particularly off the tee.

David Kelly

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2008, 08:52:38 PM »
Regrettably an awkward routing and not a single memorable hole.  Should have cracked Golfweek's top 100 modern list.

Huh?
"Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent." - Judge Holden, Blood Meridian.

jeffwarne

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2008, 09:03:24 PM »
This thread appears occasionally and always causes me to wonder--what is the point of expressing your "disappointment" here?  If you want to say that course is great or this one is lousy, please illuminate us all with your musings, have at it.  But what does knowing about your disappointment teach me about anything?

To say you're playing these courses and you're disappointed is like saying "I found myself in bed with Maria Sharapova, and was *disappointed* to find she's not a natural blond."

Give me a break....

She's not?
tell me more ;)
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

J_ Crisham

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2008, 09:13:44 PM »
You guys are going to hate me for this:

Chicago Golf Club
  Hate is a bit strong -I prefer disagree. Chicago golf is a fine links layout that played in a bit of wind can be a brute. The par of 70 makes it seem even harder. A very special place that I jump for when I have the opportunity to play .Shoreacres is an entirely different beauty. The ravines are quite unique and can add strokes quickly-a world class track.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2008, 09:25:44 PM »
Joe and Michael,

Into a bluff is not equal to on top of a bluff.  You two do Bandon IV no favors through exageration.  I know that when I stood on the tee at Pacific Dunes and turned to survey the bluff where they were building the green my exact words were..."Oh, that's disapointing."  I went on to discuss with my playing partner how obvious it is that it would be illegal to remove the bluff to improve the views.  It does not make it a bad course...just disapointing in a touristy kind of way.

wsmorrison

Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2008, 09:53:06 PM »
Jason,

I agree with you.  I didn't regard Teeth of the Dog very highly at all.  I only played it twice and it was several years before I started to study architecture.  Maybe I missed a lot, but I have no desire to go back.

I was quite disappointed in Tobacco Road and Bull's Bay did not live up to the hype--though I only walked it.  Later, a good friend of mine, who's opinion I value very highly, played and liked Bull's Bay quite a bit.

Steve Pozaric

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2008, 10:01:55 PM »
Arcadia Bluffs for me.  I had heard a lot of really good things about it from a variety of sources, but pace of play was horrid and the design really suffered compared to what else we had played on the trip.  That might have been the problem though as we had played Kingsley Club that morning and Crystal Downs the day before.

I would have agreed about Bay Harbor and Torrey Pines, except I didn't have high expectations based on what others had told me about the courses.  Good opportunities missed there, imho.

Steve Pozaric

Chip Gaskins

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2008, 10:03:12 PM »
I was quite disappointed in Tobacco Road

Wayne - were you just saying you were disappointed with Tobacco Road because I said I was disappointed with Merion.... ;D  You know I am a cheerleader for TR and we all know your affinity for that course in western Philly.

Paul Jones

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2008, 10:07:15 PM »
Torrey Pines - South Course
Paul Jones
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John Kavanaugh

Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2008, 10:07:33 PM »
Chip,

It should make you feel good to know that Pine Needles did not make my top 25.  I am an unfan.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2008, 10:09:24 PM »
Torrey Pines - South Course

Please tell why or how.  What were your expectations based on?

Chip Gaskins

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2008, 10:14:07 PM »
I am an unfan.

what does "I am an unfan" mean?

I assume you don't like it.

Thats ok, I think Bandon Dunes is the third best course at Bandon and you love it....we can agree to disagree.

Michael Powers

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2008, 10:28:32 PM »
The thing that really disappoints me every time I go on here is having to look at Wayne's dog.
HP

Joe Bentham

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2008, 10:29:29 PM »
John--
A. Its changed a lot since you where here in febuary.
B. You've never been up there, I have.  The veiw is as good as it gets.  

Andy Troeger

Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2008, 10:52:20 PM »
I expected a bit more from Double Eagle for a course on everybody's top 100 list. The conditioning and aesthetic presentation are very good and stretch of holes from 4-7 along with 17 are darn good, but its not quite on a level with most of the other top 100 level courses I've seen. Forest Highlands is the better Weiskopf/Morrish course IMO.

Desert Forest as I've said before was too narrow for my tastes. Being the first course in the area counts for something I suppose and the greens are very good, but it wasn't what I expected from the raves it gets here.

Troon North New Pinnacle was rather ordinary IMO. I can think of a few public courses in New Mexico that are 1/4 of the price of TN that I liked as well or better to mention other AZ area courses.

The Irish Course at Whistling Straits also makes my list, as does Wuskowhan Players Club and its forced carries on almost every hole.

Craig_Rokke

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #69 on: March 18, 2008, 11:17:36 PM »
I found Merion to be fantastic and memorable.

For how well known Baltusrol is, I favored several courses I also played last year over it. Still a very good course.

The conditions at Apache Stronghold.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2008, 07:19:33 PM by Craig_Rokke »

Brendan Dolan

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #70 on: March 18, 2008, 11:33:27 PM »
I was a bit disappointed with Royal Portrush.  Some absolutely fantastic holes like #4, 5, 6, 13, 14, but 17 and 18 were pretty bland.  Personally I really enjoyed both Enniscrone and Carne.  Both courses are a bit quirky, but both are set on unbelievablely breathtaking terrian.

Brendan

Steve Verde

Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #71 on: March 18, 2008, 11:54:18 PM »
Even though I like the course, I was disappointed the first time I played Aronimink.  It is a very good course and all but it doesn't stand out enough in my opinion to have been ranked nationally when there are other courses near Philly that are just as good or better.  Given the choice I would rather play Rolling Green, Philly Country, Manufacturers', or even White Manor anyday over Aronimink yet these courses fail to receive any national attention.

Other courses that disappointed:
Arcadia Bluffs - good course, but I was looking for near great, didn't help that is was a 5 1/2 hour round and the marshall was insane

True Blue- too much going on and doesn't come close to other Strantz designs I've played (Caledonia, Royal New Kent, Tobacco Road)

Sandpines- obvious reasons (hadn't found this sight yet)

Pacific Dunes- only because I played Bandon Dunes first and expected Pac Dunes to be significantly better but found them to be equals. I found Bandon to much more enjoyable but Pacific probably is the better course

James Bennett

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2008, 12:05:21 AM »
The thing that really disappoints me every time I go on here is having to look at Wayne's dog.

Michael

that isn't a dog, that is Sherman Peabody, the famed time traveller from one of the cartoons associated with The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show.  Sherman is one person that can sort out whether Merion #10 was an Alps hole or not.  Some on GCA claim they can, others can claim they can disprove it, but Sherman Peabody would be able to travel back in time (with his sidekick whose name I can't remember, and no, it wasn't  P!$$ boy) to rpove it one way or the other!

James B
Bob; its impossible to explain some of the clutter that gets recalled from the attic between my ears. .  (SL Solow)

Jason Topp

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #73 on: March 19, 2008, 12:36:04 AM »
  But what does knowing about your disappointment teach me about anything?

To say you're playing these courses and you're disappointed is like saying "I found myself in bed with Maria Sharapova, and was *disappointed* to find she's not a natural blond."

Give me a break....

Eric:


Great quote and I agree that viewpoints should be backed up with reasoning.

However, to the extent you are suggesting that one's disappointment or pleasant surprise is irrelevant I stongly disagree.

First - I think subjective experience is important in and of itself.  One could reasonably argue that any opinion on the quality of a golf course is entirely subjective and that disappointment means that a course did not deliver what was promised to the player.

Second - I think disappointment is a good indicator of quality - to the extent it exists.  the fact that someone expects Pinhurst No. 2 to be a great golf course and did not think it measures up upon playing it is the best indicator of quality I know.  It is certainly an imperfect yardstick, particularly with limited exposure to the course, but an indicator nonetheless.

Third - I think people are more likely to be candid when saying that they are disappointed in a course rather than to say a course is a bad course.  I would hesitate to offend my hosts at a prestigous course by proclaming thereafter on the internet that the course stunk.  I might say I was disappointed for one reason or another.

Finally - talking of disappointment allows for analysis of courses that are excellent, but have some flaws.  My description of Pasatiempo in post 1 reflects that viewpoint.  It is the course that really got me interested in architecture.  Nonetheless, I built it up so highly on my first visit that return visits have never quite lived up to that first impression for the reasons I discussed.

So . . . I think this is worthwhile.

John Mayhugh

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Re: Courses that disappointed you
« Reply #74 on: March 19, 2008, 08:25:54 AM »
Whistling Straits.  Holes 5 & 18 don't fit in with the rest of the course.  I know that there were environmental reasons for the fifth hole and could probably overlook it.  But 18 is no way to end the round.