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David Ober

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Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« on: March 18, 2008, 12:35:22 AM »
Had a chance to play there this past Thursday and Friday in the SCGA Foursomes (http://www.scga.org/08foursomes/index.html). Enjoyed the course very much, but it's not very walkable, that's for sure (some very, very long distances between holes).

The course was definitely "firm and fast(ish)" with absolutely impeccable greens that putted as true as any I have ever played. Standout holes:

1) A downhill short par 5 that plays 491 from the back. Well bunkered left off the tee and baranca to the right. A lay-up hole for many, however long hitters will be tempted to go for the green in two. That's where the fun begins, though, as the green sits just over a rocky cross hazard, and the long iron (or hybrid) 200 yard second shot must be played from a downhill hanging lie.

Really a great par 5, in my opinion.

11) Not much to speak of off the tee, but a great green complex on this mid-length par 4. The green is large with subtle break throughout. It's bunkered left, but what I really like is the right side miss area. It's a big fall off all along the right side. Very well done allowing multiple options for those missing the green right. The slope is quite steep, but putter is definitely a potentially sound choice from even well off the green. Very nice work.

12) Another excellent par 5. Nice split fairway, with the right (higher) option being the safer (though less well angled to the green) play off the tee. The approach is fantastic: It's uphill with the green sitting off to the right. A diagonal hazard runs from bottom left of the fairway all the way up to the green and along the right side. A well placed lay up is critical if the pin is back left since too strong of a lay up leaves a delicate pitch over a bunker to a green that pitches away on the left side landing area. Excellent green, too, though I only played two pin positions.

18) Yet another excellent par 5! Tough tee shot under pressure. OB left. Rocky hazard right. Bunker in the landing area to the left. Very dicey business off the tee for a final tee shot. But the bold (and accurate!) player is rewarded if he can pull off the tee shot. My partner and I had 4-hybrid into the green in the first round because he challenged the left bunker and flew it past.

The green is well bunkered to the right starting about 40 yards short of the green, and there is another nice "fall off" area to the left with some nice -- yet negotiable -- mounding short of the green. Behind the green is a steep slope and a couple bunkers to gather any "safe" approaches that carry the front bunkers but run through the green.

A very nice finishing hole.

There were some nice holes on the front nine also, but the ones above really stood out to me.

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Jed Peters

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2008, 02:20:15 AM »
Why was scoring so high?

Even par in a four-ball won it?

Jamey Bryan

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2008, 03:36:29 AM »
Jed:

It was foursomes, not four ball, and they won by SEVEN!!

Jamey

Jed Peters

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2008, 10:26:59 AM »
eww....alternate shot?

icky.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2008, 04:10:44 PM »
David, you guys did well considering you were +6 after the first six holes of the first day.  Good recovery to finish +3 for the next 30 holes!

David Ober

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2008, 09:11:40 PM »
Why was scoring so high?

Even par in a four-ball won it?

25 to 35 mph winds the first day. 3 to 4 clubs all day for the late starters. Our 76 felt like a 70 easy.

There's a 629 yard par five on the course that played directly into the wind. On the first day, it played about 800 yards. LOL!

RJ_Daley

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2008, 11:15:38 PM »
I was looking over their website and looked at the daily fee rates.  What struck me is they have a $20 "spectator fee".   Is that something anyone else ever heard of?
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David Ober

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2008, 01:05:13 AM »
I was looking over their website and looked at the daily fee rates.  What struck me is they have a $20 "spectator fee".   Is that something anyone else ever heard of?

I think it's probably just a "ride along" fee, but maybe not.

R_Paulis

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2008, 02:10:45 AM »
RSM was a nice addition to the Santa Barbara golfing scene when it first opened. The drama of the location adds to its allure with vistas and impressive backdrops. RSM survived the destruction of green to erosion shortly after opening and financial difficulty had it floundering for some time with poor conditions.

The course fell off my regular rotation mostly due to a section of the course containing four holes. I call it the "bear back" trio (13-15) followed by the "bears tail":

White Tees
#13 par 3-118yds
#14 par 3-149yds
#15 par 4-390yds
#16 par 3-199yds

This section of four holes plays extremely short. Too short. Some might say you should even keep your driver in the bag on the par 4. The views on top of the bears back are impressive, but it does not feel right with three holes squeezed into a small area. It is understandable if there is limited space I suppose, but RSM has a massive driving range that gets little use. I wonder if this space could have been used to get some of the holes that weigh heavy on that bears back.

Lynn_Shackelford

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2008, 10:56:05 AM »
Agreed with the post above.  I would say that holes 11-17 are pretty bad or average.  I have only played it two or 3 times, and have no desire to play it again.  The setting is great, the range huge.  Some locals says they use the range but seldom the course. 
It must be kept in mind that the elusive charm of the game suffers as soon as any successful method of standardization is allowed to creep in.  A golf course should never pretend to be, nor is intended to be, an infallible tribunal.
               Tom Simpson

David Stamm

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2008, 12:18:47 PM »
I was looking over their website and looked at the daily fee rates.  What struck me is they have a $20 "spectator fee".   Is that something anyone else ever heard of?

I think it's probably just a "ride along" fee, but maybe not.


In most cases it is a ride along fee and this is very common in California.


I've never played RSM but I've stopped by on my way to the wineries. The property is very beautiful. Despite the knocks I've heard about it I still want to try it the next time I'm up there.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

R_Paulis

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Re: Rancho San Marcos in the Hills Above Santa Barbara...
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2008, 03:22:21 PM »
Agreed with the post above.  I would say that holes 11-17 are pretty bad or average.  I have only played it two or 3 times, and have no desire to play it again.  The setting is great, the range huge.  Some locals says they use the range but seldom the course. 

I find #12 to be one of my favorites, at least from the back tees. An uphill par 5 with a dual fairway option. The right fairway is elevated about 40 feet higher but is rarely used for the risk of having unplayable lie right or left in penal bunkers. It also offers little reward going right except more run with a long drive since the fairway slopes downward.

The second shot requires a carry over a stream (rarely wet) that angles towards the green. Going for the green in two has lots of risk due to the stream bed on the right and bunkers near the green on the left. The green has a severe depression on the back right.

Another reason I have stopped playing is the conditon of the course is never assured. Fairways can be lush or hard or occasionally uncut. The greens use to be rock hard when the course first opened which made the track a real challenge. They have softened up a bit and in general, I do enjoy the greens and their sometimes intense slopes.