Cybergolf Article by Jeff Shelley on Pasa Restoration

[Jay Flemma]

Here's Jeff Shelley's article from Cybergolf.

http://www.cybergolf.com/indexgenerator.asp?newsid=5916

[BVince]

I am getting to play Pasa in about 3 weeks.  I am pumped to see and play the finished product.

[Mike Benham]

Also discussed previously ...

Pasatiempo restoration complete - Nov 2007

[Jay Flemma]

Well, Jeff has done a nice job writing it up and Pasa is important enough a course to have continued discussions.

[Kyle Henderson]

Also discussed previously ...

Pasatiempo restoration complete - Nov 2007

I believe Jay's propensity for starting threads on previously discussed topics has also already been discussed. 

[Tony Petersen]

Timely reminder considering the upcoming Kings Putter VI...

[Mike Benham]

Also discussed previously ...

Pasatiempo restoration complete - Nov 2007

I believe Jay's propensity for starting threads on previously discussed topics has also already been discussed. 

I think some is trying to drive up their blog or website rankings

[Joe Perches]

Also discussed previously ...

I think the point that Mike is making is that the GCA search capability is _much_ better now and it would be useful if people would search for and post on old thread topics before posting a new thread.

[Jay Flemma]

Also discussed previously ...

Pasatiempo restoration complete - Nov 2007

I believe Jay's propensity for starting threads on previously discussed topics has also already been discussed. 

I think some is trying to drive up their blog or website rankings

I'm sorry, Mike, but I'm confused...who is trying to drive up who's blog or website rankings?  I most certainly am not, by linking to a cybergolf article written by Jeff Shelley.  You know...if a friend of yours started this thread, you'd be running to tell people to go check it out...

By the way, you misled everyone in your earlier post.  The old thread was NOT called "Pasa restoration complete."  It was called "Pictures of the pasa restoration."  SO it's not the same thread at all.  You should really be careful..you might give someone else the wrong impression you already have. 

Jeff Shelley is a fine man and an well-liked writer.  His work deserves to be discussed here just like any other person who writes on GCA - whether they are a friend of Mike Benham's or not.

[Tom Huckaby]

Jay:  Mike can certainly speak for himself, but I believe his point was you've been starting quite a few threads lately that are more or less old news.  The Pasa restoration is certainly such, as many of us have played the course since the most recent work was completed.  You've done some others as well.  It just does get weird when this is repeatedly done.

I believe you when you say Jeff Shelley is a fine man, and I can see he can write.  He's just not givingany of us any news, that's all.  Perhaps if you change the title to "Pasa Restoration - Jeff Shelley's take" then no eyebrows would be raised.

Just my two cents, anyway.  I'm darn excited, I get to play the course next week.  But after I do, I sure as heck won't come in here telling the GCA world about the Pasa restoration... I believe they already know.

TH

[John Kavanaugh]

Jay,

Given all the off topic posts started on this site never worry about being duplicitous on a architecture topic.  I took this quote from the article and wonder why Hollins failed at her goal of creating the finest course west of the Mississippi.

"Shortly thereafter Hollins began work on Pasatiempo, with the stated intent of building the finest golf course west of the Mississippi."

[Jed Peters]

  I took this quote from the article and wonder why Hollins failed at her goal of creating the finest course west of the Mississippi.

The trees between 6 and 7.

And,

Whaaaaa

[Jay Flemma]

Tom, I think everyone WOULD want to hear about what you thought of the restoration.  I know I would. 

I did change the title of the thread though.

John, Like Augusta National, Pasa had terrible financial problems during the depression.  It nearly crippled the club altogether.  We're lucky Pasa survived and luckier still that it's public.  I just wish we could halt the runaway greens fees.  It was $165 three years ago - high already - but now it's over $200.

[Tom Huckaby]

Jay - I think the title makes more sense now.  As for my thoughts on Pasa restoration, see that's the point -I (and several other people) already gave such a few months ago.  Reiterating them now, well... if I see anything different perhaps I might comment.  But to me it remains old news.

In any case, our "King's Putter" event includes one round at Pasa.  It's in late April.  I feel confident many will have much to say then.

Now as for Pasa prices, don't get me started.  Yes, it is cool it's semi-private and us peons can still play.  But the club surely does know what the market will bear... my friend, when I first started playing the course I paid $25.

TH

[Jay Flemma]

The whole point in mentioning the price was to get you started.  Every time you start talking about more walking, less money you are more spot on than a ketchup stain on a starched white dress shirt.

You know, the wrong Huckabee ran for president!

[Kalen Braley]

Forget the US presidential election, we got better fish to fry.

He needs to run for San Fran Mayor so we can get Lincoln Park fixed and get the match play contest moved there.  The ratings would be sky high and the matches well attended in a truly world class location.

[Tom Huckaby]

Forget the US presidential election, we got better fish to fry.

He needs to run for San Fran Mayor so we can get Lincoln Park fixed and get the match play contest moved there.  The ratings would be sky high and the matches well attended in a truly world class location.

You all don't want me in any position of power.  I'd have no clue what to do.  And as you can see with my last post to Kavanaugh in the latest Bandon thread, I do have a limit of patience.

That Huckabee guy does need to learn to spell his name.   

[Kalen Braley]

Forget the US presidential election, we got better fish to fry.

He needs to run for San Fran Mayor so we can get Lincoln Park fixed and get the match play contest moved there.  The ratings would be sky high and the matches well attended in a truly world class location.

You all don't want me in any position of power.  I'd have no clue what to do.  And as you can see with my last post to Kavanaugh in the latest Bandon thread, I do have a limit of patience.

That Huckabee guy does need to learn to spell his name.   

I got you covered Huck.

You win the election, I'll be the muscle behind the scenes getting all the stuff done.  Then you can get in front of the cameras for the dog and pony show and take all the credit.  American politics 101 stuff here, nothing more!! 

[Mike Benham]

By the way, you misled everyone in your earlier post.  The old thread was NOT called "Pasa restoration complete."  It was called "Pictures of the pasa restoration."  SO it's not the same thread at all.  You should really be careful..you might give someone else the wrong impression you already have. 

Jeff Shelley is a fine man and an well-liked writer.  His work deserves to be discussed here just like any other person who writes on GCA - whether they are a friend of Mike Benham's or not.

Jay - You are correct, the old thread was not titled "Pictures of pasa restoration", its called "Pasatiempo Restoration Photos" by Rob Babcock, so your accuracy is a tad off too. 

If you took the time to read and retain Rob's initial post, the first sentence says "FYI, Before/After/Original photos of the recently restored Pasatiempo holes 13, 16, 17, and 18 are now online at the Pasatiempo web site:" which implies that the restoration is in fact complete.

Rob also gives information and answers questions about the cost of the project and why it was done.  It seems many aspects of the restoration were discussed.

My issue, as simple as it might be, is that pulling up the old thread that had photos and discussion on the completed Pasatiempo restoration, and posting the link to the article would have enhance the old thread and brought additional discussion from all the data provided.

What makes you pull the "a friend of Mike Benham or not" crap, what is that about?

Mike

[Jay Flemma]

Mike, I didn't start this thread to argue with you and nobody wants to read arguments anyway.  If you really wanna know why I feel that way, contact me off list and we can discuss it further, but the short answer is you yell at me about starting what you feel are duplicate threads, but ignore when other do it - for example sevillano links. 

You sternly called me out for offering a duplicate thread on sevillano, but when JS started a new pics thread right after, you chimed into the discussion, but gave the extra thread issue a pass.  That makes me feel like you have one set of rules for me and another set for the same circumstances for everyone else.  If you wanna gripe about duplicate threads, do it to everyone, not just me.  But you called me out twice, yet let it go in another instance.  If you had another reason for doing that, please let me know, I'll be glad to listen.  But when you call me out for something, then let someone else go on the exact same issue, what other reasonable conclusion can be drawn?

This thread discusses Pasa and how players who have been there recently think it plays compared to the past.  If you can contribute to the discussion, great...but I've read all your posts and you haven't said one word about the golf course, not one.  So why are you on this thread if you don't have any interest in furthering the discussion?  Why do you want to suppress my holding another discussion of Pasa or sevillano, but have no issue with others holding extra discussions on Sevillano, all the while also calling me out for offering up a new thread.  That's why I made a pint about it in my last post, Mike.  Maybe you never meant it this way, but it looks like you are saying these people get one set of rules, but these have another and that's not right.


I second Kalen's endorsement...after all, Tom Huckaby is a great American

Tom, in what ways do you feel the changes to Pasa enhance the experience of playing the course?  How about the rest opf you who have played it?  How is it different playing certain holes today rather than say two or three years ago?  How about the rest of you?

[Tom Huckaby]

I second Kalen's endorsement...after all, Tom Huckaby is a great American

Tom, in what ways do you feel the changes to Pasa enhance the experience of playing the course?  How about the rest opf you who have played it?  How is it different playing certain holes today rather than say two or three years ago?  How about the rest of you?

My my, such flattery today.

But well... all these questions were answered already in threads from several months ago.  I don't have the energy to cover it again.

TH

[Mike Benham]

Jay –

This thread discusses Pasa and how players who have been there recently think it plays compared to the past.  If you can contribute to the discussion, great...but I've read all your posts and you haven't said one word about the golf course, not one.  So why are you on this thread if you don't have any interest in furthering the discussion?

You started the thread with the title “Pasa Restoration Complete” with a link to Jeff Shelley’s article (I assumed you changed the title at Huckaby's suggestions).  Perhaps you intended GCAers to discuss the restored course but as Tom Huckaby, the Great American points out, he gave those opinions months ago on the thread that I linked to and did not feel like rehashing it in your thread.   

I have no intention of suppressing discussion of Pasatiempo, and as I said before, if you or anyone has something to contribute, and Jeff’s article is appropriate, then posting the link in the original thread would make it a better thread, one where posters could continue the discussion with the added information that you contributed. 

As for me, I can’t and won’t comment on the restoration until I see or play it myself.   

Why do you want to suppress my holding another discussion of Pasa or sevillano, but have no issue with others holding extra discussions on Sevillano, all the while also calling me out for offering up a new thread.  That's why I made a pint about it in my last post, Mike.  Maybe you never meant it this way, but it looks like you are saying these people get one set of rules, but these have another and that's not right.

Good question, not done intentionally or unintentionally but if I were to answer after the fact, JS’s topic was the first by anyone who actually seen or played the course and he included photos.  All the previous topics were while the course was being built and un-seen.

Mike