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PThomas

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2008, 05:11:02 PM »
I echo Phil's comments about the fine pictures on GCA
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

TEPaul

Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2008, 05:34:12 PM »
"Those are my thoughts – what are yours?"


Well, Ran, my thoughts are quite simple and short---for a change. I have only three short statements to make and one quick question to ask:

Statements:
1. Any friend of Zorro is a friend of mine.
2. Any enemy of Zorro is an enemy of mine.
3. Your initial post on this thread is excellent. You're quite a writer, Ran Morrissett. Do you know that?

Question:
1. What the hell is your REAL first name? Nobody names their kid just Ran, do they?



TEPaul

Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2008, 05:43:43 PM »
Oh just one more quick statement:

The check is in the mail---almost!

And if you continue to have another good year this year as the previous eight or so have been at this time next year you just may be staring into the cold grey eyes of a leveraged buyout! Then you can consider the benefits and beauties of being a super-rich loafer and the abuilding of your Carthage Club in "the sands'.

Seriously, Ran, thanks so much for everything!
« Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 05:45:10 PM by TEPaul »

Mike Benham

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2008, 06:10:33 PM »
I was going to say what Phil said but differently.

Perhaps a separate page where photos from GCAers can be linked (not stored, Ran should have to pay for the storage fees).  Sorted by course would be great ... and free of copyright issues.

Other than that, the site is great, some good days, some bad days but those may be the fault of the reader as much as anything else ...
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Tim_Cronin

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2008, 07:05:28 PM »
A solid A (leaving the + out there as a carrot for improvement)!
I had no idea this group was limited to 1,500. Seems there are more opinions than that on any big topic!
Ran, I salute you for the devotion to golf architecture few who play the game have!
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Lloyd_Cole

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2008, 07:12:17 PM »
I was going to say what Phil said but differently.

Perhaps a separate page where photos from GCAers can be linked (not stored, Ran should have to pay for the storage fees).  Sorted by course would be great ... and free of copyright issues.

Other than that, the site is great, some good days, some bad days but those may be the fault of the reader as much as anything else ...

Mike I was just thinking along the same lines. Score cards and course plans, etc would be great, too. I will gladly scan my yardage books (not all tomorrow..) and post if there is somewhere to put them, as I'm often effectively excluded from a thread because I don't know what the 12 th at Yale is...

mark chalfant

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2008, 07:17:02 PM »
Thanks  Ran
Ive  enjoyed new contributors/members i  have especially learned from ideas of Ray  Richard, peter Palotta, and  Bill " macodnald  school"  Brightly. I still  greatly enjoy the anecdotes of Mike Sweeney, Tom Paul. The enthusiasm of Mike Cirba, and  of course the "colorful" posts of Patrick Mucci jr

Tommy Williamsen

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2008, 07:23:00 PM »
Ran,

You also need to find a space/section for mini reviews or educational content. Case in point, Michael's review of CC of Troy:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=31700;start=msg620329#msg620329

Mike Sweeny makes a good point.  I have often thought that many of the course threads are as good as some of the "My home course articles."  I would think that at the very least there could be a link to some of the better course reviews.

I enjoy the the site more than I can say.  We have covered a lot of ground.  It amazes me how creative some of the folks on this siste are.  The collective knowledge of the folks on this site is a wonder.  Sometimes threads go in odd directions but that is to be expected.  

I wonder if the Feature Interviews, In my opinion etc are read as much as they should be.  If they are not folks are missing some really good stuff.

One of the things that bothers me a little is when a person begins a thread and someone says it has been discussed before and gives the link as if he is dismissing the new thread.  I don't see any reason that there should not be repitition.  Different people may respond.

I also enjoy older threads that are bumped.

Thanks for your willingness to host GCA.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

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Jim Thompson

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2008, 07:53:52 PM »
I believe the site is doing very well!  Content remains good as does morale, for the most part.  It must be realized that 1500 people are not all going to always be having a good day out in the real world and that written comments never convey the full meaning or tone as the author ever intends.  Quite frankly, when it comes to some of the issues often seen as gripes, the answer is just to get over it.  I recall my introduction to GCA, when after my first post I was flamed by the grammar and spelling police.  Personally, at first, I thought those guys were a bunch of pricks.  Over time I have realized that they were just engaging is some good natured ribbing, like I’d expect among any group of friends.  I now consider myself privileged to be apart of the group.

As to deleting post and topics-  I think this is an awful idea.  No one is ever better exposed that by his or her own foolishness.  I would rather see the an individuals right to delete their own post removed, hoping that maybe, for just one moment, a bit more thought might go into an individuals comments before hitting the submit button.

New guys, we’ve all been there and we will all be there again at sometime. There is no way you can come in and hit the ground running, knowing all of the history among all of the participants.  Consider your early days on GCA more rite of passage than pledging and you’ll be fine.  Enjoy it!  In a few months you won’t get the benefit of the doubt for being the FNG.  It is worth it though.

The Treehouse.  I know there are some who would like to see the site become more stoic and academic in nature.  Good for you.  I think that need can be met by a better search function. Perhaps there is a means by which a thread creator could tag a thread key words, like those sites so many of you have told me about.  Perhaps rather than more administration and moderating we need to have someone function as a librarian to tag threads according to some general method of tagging.  As for the inter action among friends, don’t mess with it!  Its hard enough finding one or two guys who even consider some of the topics we discuss, how could a group of whack jobs like us not become our own little on line fraternity.  It is a very special thing to have friends in life and life is just to short to go wasting energy stomping on other peoples parties.

Course reviews are great!  It would be nice if the majority didn't sit back and wait for Ran and a select few to do all the work of putting them together.  It is not as easy as you may think to put one together and even harder to justify or support your remarks after posting.  So get in the game and put a formal piece together for the group or, with all due respect, shut the hell up.  I know there are a number of things I've been tempted to put up over the years and haven't because I don't have the energy to argue with folks who have never laid pipe or drainage or what have you.  We all also need to remember that all situations are local.  Just like politics.  How could I ever tell Mike what to do with that orange stuff they call dirt down south or Don about bermuda issues or the mountain boys about dealing with rock.  You think Mikey D had an easy time with those stone formations up at Greywalls?  Remember, every architect had an owner and a bunch of other site specific issues to deal with that change at every project. It is not a formula, but a series of compromises that yields and end result and the architect does the best he can to get what he feels is best for the client.

Cheers!

JT
Jim Thompson

Gary Daughters

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2008, 07:53:56 PM »

Ran,

The idea of commissioning pieces by professional writers is one of the most auspicious things to hit gca.com since I've been here.  I look forward to reading.

Your post is a good reminder to pony up.  Consider it done.  (Pat Mucci has accused me of not contributing in the past, and I suppose that's the only thing he's ever been wrong about).

As far as rules, introductions for newbies, etc.. nix.  The self-policing nature of the treehouse works.  You get slapped down, you learn.  This I know from experience.

Happy New Year to all.
THE NEXT SEVEN:  Alfred E. Tupp Holmes Municipal Golf Course, Willi Plett's Sportspark and Driving Range, Peachtree, Par 56, Browns Mill, Cross Creek, Piedmont Driving Club

John Kavanaugh

Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2008, 08:11:14 PM »
I can't imagine paying a lousy writer for an opinion when real architects give imput not only for free but at the peril of future work.  The great thing about this site for me is that we have been able to talk to the people who truly make a difference in the dirt and don't simply report on it.  Please don't let this become another stinking golf magazine full of paid for opinions.

Willie_Dow

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2008, 08:26:29 PM »
This place is a 10, on the Doak scale !

Where could we discuss so much junk ?  About golf .

Thanks Ran for an idea that has lent itself to so many others who love this game, and its history .

Willie
« Last Edit: January 07, 2008, 08:30:01 PM by Willie_Dow »

Gary Daughters

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2008, 08:54:07 PM »

John,

I have little doubt that Ran will pay good writers, not bad ones, to explore avenues you don't get in the glossies.

For the most part, good writers are handicapped by the formulas of the mags just as bad writers benefit.

I hereby nominate you to write the first piece, and I hope you get more than a penny a word.
THE NEXT SEVEN:  Alfred E. Tupp Holmes Municipal Golf Course, Willi Plett's Sportspark and Driving Range, Peachtree, Par 56, Browns Mill, Cross Creek, Piedmont Driving Club

Mike McGuire

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2008, 09:27:59 PM »
Ran-

Grade A-

Paying writers could be more trouble than its worth. We have a lot of published authors here contributing for free. It could  be a burden for you to decide who to pay - and how much - and not alienate a longtime poster.

User generated content is the hot model on the net. You have it here. Why change?

If there is that much extra $ - my new favorite course is in Anthony Pioppi's book.



 

Steve Lang

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2008, 09:51:02 PM »
8) ran & ben,

I think you guys know how good this little corner of the web is, in spite of some good "what could be done to improve it ideas" presented above.. so you get a PASS  ::)  and I salute your long term efforts!

Simple suggestions:

1) maintain moderator(s) who can delete, after all if its frank commentary you want, nothing speaks louder and clearer to participants than "it could all go away in a second".. so stay on topic"..

2) offer some writer guidelines for both threads and other written contributions.  Who knows what you may cultivate?

3) don't encourage OT threads by giving them a separate place.. it'd dilute your mission

4) keep it simple..

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Andrew Balakshin

Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2008, 11:34:47 PM »
Thanks for another year!

I personally like things the way they are, GCA is one of the three websites I look at practically every time I am on a computer (the other two being cbc.ca and hotmail).

Good luck with Cabot Links and I look forward to hearing about its progress over the next couple years. I know it will be a success since Rod and Jeff are two of the most talented and passionate people in the business.  

Kevin_Reilly

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2008, 12:19:59 AM »
Thanks from me for the great site.  

One suggestion for the welcome message to newbies, is a "how to" on including photos in posts.  The current board software is old, so most aren't familiar with the YaBB way to do things, and this is a frequent board question.  An alternative is to place this info in a "sticky" thread that stays at the top of the board, and it might contain other useful information or FAQ's.  

Also, in the new software version pictures might also be posted as thumbnails, so in looking at a thread all the pictures don't need to load every time you open the thread.  Readers can click on individual pictures to see them in higher quality.
"GOLF COURSES SHOULD BE ENJOYED RATHER THAN RATED" - Tom Watson

Matt Vandelac

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2008, 12:31:31 AM »
Kevin, you stole my thunder!
Someday, I'll figure out how to post some photos...
I give the site an A easily.  
Keep up the great work!  

Kyle Henderson

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2008, 01:37:00 AM »
I believe the site is doing very well!  Content remains good as does morale, for the most part.  It must be realized that 1500 people are not all going to always be having a good day out in the real world and that written comments never convey the full meaning or tone as the author ever intends.  Quite frankly, when it comes to some of the issues often seen as gripes, the answer is just to get over it.  I recall my introduction to GCA, when after my first post I was flamed by the grammar and spelling police.  Personally, at first, I thought those guys were a bunch of pricks.  Over time I have realized that they were just engaging is some good natured ribbing, like I’d expect among any group of friends.  I now consider myself privileged to be apart of the group.

As to deleting post and topics-  I think this is an awful idea.  No one is ever better exposed that by his or her own foolishness.  I would rather see the an individuals right to delete their own post removed, hoping that maybe, for just one moment, a bit more thought might go into an individuals comments before hitting the submit button.

New guys, we’ve all been there and we will all be there again at sometime. There is no way you can come in and hit the ground running, knowing all of the history among all of the participants.  Consider your early days on GCA more rite of passage than pledging and you’ll be fine.  Enjoy it!  In a few months you won’t get the benefit of the doubt for being the FNG.  It is worth it though.

The Treehouse.  I know there are some who would like to see the site become more stoic and academic in nature.  Good for you.  I think that need can be met by a better search function. Perhaps there is a means by which a thread creator could tag a thread key words, like those sites so many of you have told me about.  Perhaps rather than more administration and moderating we need to have someone function as a librarian to tag threads according to some general method of tagging.  As for the inter action among friends, don’t mess with it!  Its hard enough finding one or two guys who even consider some of the topics we discuss, how could a group of whack jobs like us not become our own little on line fraternity.  It is a very special thing to have friends in life and life is just to short to go wasting energy stomping on other peoples parties.

Course reviews are great!  It would be nice if the majority didn't sit back and wait for Ran and a select few to do all the work of putting them together.  It is not as easy as you may think to put one together and even harder to justify or support your remarks after posting.  So get in the game and put a formal piece together for the group or, with all due respect, shut the hell up.  I know there are a number of things I've been tempted to put up over the years and haven't because I don't have the energy to argue with folks who have never laid pipe or drainage or what have you.  We all also need to remember that all situations are local.  Just like politics.  How could I ever tell Mike what to do with that orange stuff they call dirt down south or Don about bermuda issues or the mountain boys about dealing with rock.  You think Mikey D had an easy time with those stone formations up at Greywalls?  Remember, every architect had an owner and a bunch of other site specific issues to deal with that change at every project. It is not a formula, but a series of compromises that yields and end result and the architect does the best he can to get what he feels is best for the client.

Cheers!

JT

Ditto.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2008, 01:49:21 AM »
I'd give it a solid B: generally excellent, but basically the same as 2006.

Add me to the list of those who would like to see some of the more meaty posts - course reviews, essays, etc. - saved permanently as more easily accessible resources, rather than slipping off the front page and into obscurity.

One other suggestion would be permanent threads for each PGA Tour stop and for other televised courses that reappear at the appropriate weeks each year.

Jim Nugent

Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2008, 06:24:03 AM »
At least an A- overall.  Course profiles are remarkable.  DG stimulates plenty of thought and issues.  I hope we don't separate the forum into sub-groups, but keep it as is.  

On how to spend the contributions: instead of articles by professional writers, I'd rather see Ran take trips to more courses in the Next 50, so we can get more of his great profiles.

Andrew Mitchell

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2008, 08:21:23 AM »
An A from me also, another excellent year. The reviews in courses by country are superb and on a revisit I always find something there I didn't spot before such is the detail.

As others have said I'd like to see the course reviews, essays, etc which are posted in the discussion group saved permanently so we can access them as easily as we can get at the courses by country and in my opinion sections.

I hadn't realised that we could now contribute by paypal. Ran, my payment is winging its way across the Atlantic as I type this!
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

nandoal

Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2008, 08:37:54 AM »
Overall an A- for me.

Thread of the year: Ryan Farrow's weekly Oakmont US OPEN preview of hole by hole pictures  :)

George Pazin

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Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2008, 09:44:40 AM »
Always an A from me. Top notch content, amazing depth of quality among participants.

Simultaneously a place to hang with friends, a place to learn and a place to share.

Thanks for everything, can't wait to play Cabot someday.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

John Kavanaugh

Re:Grade for GolfClubAtlas.com in 2007?
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2008, 09:55:07 AM »
All these A grades sums up why I would give 07 a C- at best.  I miss the honesty of days gone by.