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Jeff Goldman

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Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« on: November 28, 2007, 07:29:29 PM »
Greetings all,

I've been away for a while, spending most of the summer watching Patrick Andrews and Steve Smyers do the work on the South Course at Olympia Fields.  I did have time for 2 kidney stones, which wiped out visits with Mike H., Ed G. and Lou Duran, though I did spend a day with Lou before being drugged up the second time.   :P

The work on the South Course is complete.  As many know, I was named Chairman of the Project by our Club President, Mike Drew, in May of 2006.  My job was mostly to make sure we hit the budget, give tours of the course to the membership, and be the designee to be drowned in the irrigation pond if the membership hated it.  ;D Still dry so far.  There was a small committee that did just as much as I did to move things along, and so Andy Revell, Lou Weber, Mike Fagan and Brandt Oosterbaan should get big kudos, as well as the Grounds Chairman Dave Allard.

Before it started, I spoke to Shelly Solow and Pat Mucci and got an understanding of how these things go, and spoke to Shelly all along the project (he was also out there a couple times).  Brad Klein also gave some invaluable advice.  Given what I learned from them and know now, the work turned out better than I could have hoped. Patrick basically lived at the club during the project, and Steve was there almost weekly, and they both put their all into the project.  Because there were significant changes to the course between 1916 and 1930, mostly for the better, and the course was a bit of a hodgepodge of bunker styles and other work, a true restoration was not in the cards.  In the event, the work had elements of restoration in the green expansions and widening of fairway corridors, sympathetic renovation in the use of bunker styles and mounding evident in historic pictures, and complete renovation in constructing one completely new hole and on hole all new except for the green.  Below are pictures of the most dramatic work.

First is the second hole.  This is a par 4, 410 or so from the regular tees, with a downhill second shot.  Here is what it looked like before the work:



As you can see, the bunkers have been edged to the top and have sand all the way up.  Here, Patrick and Steve dug out the sand until they reached the bottom and established grass faces.  They also eliminated the back right bunker, the Pine Trees (all over the course) and expanded the green.  Here is what it looks like:



The 3rd hole is completely new.  The old 3rd was a flat 160 yard par 3 with a green that flooded every year.  It was redone several times, and its place in a flood way limited what could be done.  To the left of the hole is a hill with trees and scrub on it.  Steve and Patrick came up with the idea of re-orienting the hole and putting the green on top of the hill.  The pic I have isn't great, and the green is inside the orange fence, put up to keep deer out.  to the right is a very steep dropoff similar to "the kitchen" to the right of the 6th hole:



Here is an image of the green from the back looking forward, with some pretty good contours and a fall off to the back left (right in the picture):



Here is the green being cut for the first time a couple months ago:



And here is the view looking back to the tee, showing that if is pretty uphill.  This makes the course on of few I know with 2 uphill par 3s (the 12th is the other, with the green set on the edge of a 15 foot hill).



The biggest other change is to the 13th hole, a dogleg left par 4 in a field out of character with the rest of the course.  This is what it looked like:



Patrick and Steve dug out a creek on the left (which you can't see in the pic), which will be receiving runoff from outside the property during heavy rains.  The creek will clean the water, which previously contaminated our irrigation pond with gunk.  They used the fill to build a ridge on the right, and exaggerated the dogleg.  The land moves gently from the ridge down to the bunkers (which again have mounding in the faces), so that the closer you get to the bunkers the flatter the lie.  This is important because the green slopes bigtime to the back left, not easy to hit with a hook lie.  Here is the result:



Last, the short par 3 14th.  It originally was surrounded by bunkers that appear deep and below the green, and very steep.  There is also significant chocolate drop mounding behind the green:



Here is what the hole looked like this year before the work:



As you can see, the irrigation pond is now in front and to the left of the hole, making it impossible to go back.  Patrick and Steve wanted to restore the historic bunker pattern, but went up instead of down, using the mounding style evident elsewhere on the course.  This picture is a bit distorted, but shows the work:



2 things you can't see from pics are the great green expansions, which brought back a ton of great hole locations, and the tree work, which eliminated awful Pine trees and exposed great old speciment oaks, along with giving the course great vistas.

As I said, Steve and Patrick put their all into the work.  Wadsworth Golf Construction did the work, and they were terrific, bringing in more folks when we got behind, and keeping me informed well in advance of potential cost overruns.  Tony Altum designed the new irrigation system, and Liebold put it in, both right on budget.  Huge kudos go to Sam Mackenzie, our Director of Grounds, his crews for his overall management of the project and their willingness to work their asses off to catch up after the rains.  Sam did all the green expansions and grassing, and those guys were out there till (and past) dark many nights, all while keeping the North Course in the best shape anyone can remember even though it got the most play anyone can remember (note to Ryan P:  Sam's contract prohibits him from setting foot in Dupage County until 2050  ;D, and our 2 USGA greens on the North Course are fine now).  

The reopening of the course is completely dependent on the weather, but we hope to open sometime around Memorial Day.  I'll post some more photos when I get them, and also hope to write a more detailed piece on the project for Ran to post.

Jeff Goldman
« Last Edit: November 30, 2007, 09:33:00 PM by Jeff Goldman »
That was one hellacious beaver.

Adam Clayman

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2007, 07:43:18 PM »
Jeff, How serendipitous. I thought if you and this project this morning, wondering when we would hear the good news. Yes Jeff, It was very much expected that things would turn out better than expected. The main reason being you. Mahzel Tov!

Haven't had time to read the whole thread but the first pictures look amazing. Are those 'widow peaks' diverting drainage away from the sand?
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2007, 07:47:48 PM »
Jeff,
Congratulations on your efforts.
It sounds like you put in quite a bit of your billable time.
What happened to the 11th?
Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

J_ Crisham

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2007, 07:51:41 PM »
Jeff, Congrats on a job well done! The renovations that are occurring in Chicago only raise the bar in our area. My hope is to see a US AM at Olympia soon. The North has always been one of my favorites but a bit of a bruiser. The South was always fun but the changes appear that it will play a bit tougher. Any thoughts on what the slope/rating will be?

PThomas

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2007, 07:51:44 PM »
well done Jeff!  a very good course got even better!
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Bart Bradley

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2007, 08:05:35 PM »
Spectacular...amazing change to #13 ...WOW

Bart

Ari Techner

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2007, 08:23:01 PM »
Looks like you guys did an amazing job.  I always really liked the South course and it looks like you guys have made it even better.  I cannot wait to see it next summer.  

Geoffrey Childs

Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2007, 09:01:55 PM »
Jeff

You hard work to make sure that your course got the architect and the care that it deserves has payed off.  

I hope the coming season(s) give you many memorable rounds of golf.

Billsteele

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2007, 09:04:17 PM »
Jeff-Thanks for posting these pictures. The work does look terrific. Were the majority of the bunkers on the course redone or was it a case of tinkering with some bunkers to bring them in line with the original design? My experience with Smyers' designs is that he builds very interesting bunker complexes...some of which are quite deep and penal. Is that reflected in his work at Olympia Fields? It appears that the work done on 14 was right in his wheelhouse.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 09:06:14 PM by Billsteele »

Jeff Goldman

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2007, 09:28:18 PM »
Jeff, Congrats on a job well done! The renovations that are occurring in Chicago only raise the bar in our area. My hope is to see a US AM at Olympia soon. The North has always been one of my favorites but a bit of a bruiser. The South was always fun but the changes appear that it will play a bit tougher. Any thoughts on what the slope/rating will be?

Jack,

Actually, I think the course might play a bit easier from the member tees overall, though certainly some holes, like 3, 13, and 14 will be more difficult and you won't be able to putt out of some of the bunkers any more.  It will be maybe 100 yards shorter from those tees (from 6580 or so to under 6500 from there), and except for the 14, every hole has run up options and an open front.  Two of the par 3s (5, which was originally a par 4, and 12), which were well over 200 yards from the regular tees, have been shortened, and bunkers that were added in the 60s and 70s that blocked run up shots on a couple other holes have been removed.

Steve and Patrick added back tees that will play something like 7100 so it will be more fun for big hitters from the back.  However, the back tees were added to par 5s and long par 4s, and the short holes, like the par 4 11th, still play short.  They also moved the tees up on the par 4 16th so that it will play short, as it used to.  I'll try to find pics of that one.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 09:51:11 PM by Jeff Goldman »
That was one hellacious beaver.

Gerry B

Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2007, 09:28:44 PM »
jeff:

as advertised - looks great - congrats

see you in the spring


gerry

Jeff Goldman

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2007, 09:30:54 PM »
Jeff,
Congratulations on your efforts.
It sounds like you put in quite a bit of your billable time.
What happened to the 11th?
Cheers


Mike,

The efforts were by Steve, Patrick, Sam and his crews, Wadsworth and Liebold, but thanks.  On 11, the short par 4 with the tree in the fairway, they restored the fairway to the right of the tree, now in the middle of the fairway, and added a bunker dead center  and in front of the bunker closer to the green, in effect, moving the tree farther down.  The bunkers are also a pretty nice contrast to the sand flashed bunkers on the North.

Jeff
« Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 09:54:29 PM by Jeff Goldman »
That was one hellacious beaver.

Jeff Goldman

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2007, 09:36:03 PM »
Jeff-Thanks for posting these pictures. The work does look terrific. Were the majority of the bunkers on the course redone or was it a case of tinkering with some bunkers to bring them in line with the original design? My experience with Smyers' designs is that he builds very interesting bunker complexes...some of which are quite deep and penal. Is that reflected in his work at Olympia Fields? It appears that the work done on 14 was right in his wheelhouse.

Bill,

Every bunker on the course is new.  A few are pretty deep, but most are not, and they all have pretty flat entrances.  The deeper bunkers are basically where bigger hitters going for par 5s in two (on 4 and 10) or the shorter par 4s in one might end up.  On 16, a bunker was put back which used to exist and was removed, and will threaten folks trying to drive the green who overcook their shot.

The bunker in front on 14 is likely to be pretty controversial, since it is the ONLY bunker on the course that blocks the front of a green, but since the hole used to have one there, and it looks pretty cool, the club felt it would be ok.  It is about an 80 yard carry from the forward tees, and there is room to the right for bailing out.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 09:43:55 PM by Jeff Goldman »
That was one hellacious beaver.

Dan Kelly

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2007, 10:14:30 PM »
Jeff --

This is meant perfectly respectfully:

How did removing that beautiful pine tree behind the second green improve the golf course?

Dan
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C. Squier

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2007, 10:43:47 PM »
Jeff --

This is meant perfectly respectfully:

Who did removing that beautiful pine tree behind the second green improve the golf course?

Dan

Though I haven't been on 1% of the tours Jeff has been on this fall, I'll add my 2 cents.  Tree removal all over has added depth and vistas on the course.  That pine tree is not in play at all, point conceded.  But it didn't add to anything at all, plus it blocked everything going on behind it.  From the slightly raised fairway on #2 you can see a lot of the course behind the green, including #6, which IMO is the best hole on the property.  I'm biased, but I love the feeling of "play" on the golf course and I don't want to feel like I'm the only person out there.  

I have shot anywhere from 70-86 on the South Course.  From what I've seen, that is still in the game.  The restoration committee has given the membership a course that is more playable for the higher handicaps and more difficult for the lower guys all in one.  I can see myself walking out there with a Sunday bag with no more than a 5 iron from the front tees on a late summer afternoon.  I can also see a great Sunday morning game from the tippy tips that will make you gag on your pre-round eggs Benedict.  

CPS

tlavin

Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2007, 12:43:31 PM »
One of my proudest days as a club member was when I sponsored Jeff Goldman for membership at Olympia Fields.  In less than five years as a member, he has been largely responsible for this project's vision.  He was largely responsible for communicating the vision to the membership.  And he has been largely responsible for making sure that we got what we asked for from the architect and the contractor.  He has done an amazing job for our club and he is the very image of what this website can do for the betterment of this great game of golf.

Chris_Blakely

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2007, 01:01:31 PM »
Jeff Goldman,

Is the South course originally a Tom Bendelow course, a Willie Watson course or an amalgamation of both of their efforts?  The North is Willie Park Jr, correct?

Thanks,
Chris

Jason Topp

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2007, 01:02:22 PM »
Jeff:

Congratulations.  As a green committee member that has only been involved in one minor project I can imagine the work you put into this.

Did you hit your budget?

What are your reflections on the political process of selling these changes to the membership?

Our course has a bunch of pine christmas trees that, while generally out of play, just look like warts to me on the course.  Was removing them a difficult sell and how much did it cost?



Dan Kelly

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2007, 01:09:20 PM »
Our course has a bunch of pine christmas trees that, while generally out of play, just look like warts to me on the course.  

Jason --

Please tell me you're not including those beautiful pines by the 13th green and 14th tee!

As for the Christmas-tree pines, I have a suggestion: Cut them down, year by year, in late November, and donate them to the city of Hopkins -- one for the Arts Center, one for the high school... Your classic win/win proposition!

Dan

P.S. I won't even mention the buckthorn...

« Last Edit: November 29, 2007, 01:10:22 PM by Dan Kelly »
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Dan Kelly

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2007, 01:16:32 PM »
Though I haven't been on 1% of the tours Jeff has been on this fall, I'll add my 2 cents.  Tree removal all over has added depth and vistas on the course.  That pine tree is not in play at all, point conceded.  But it didn't add to anything at all, plus it blocked everything going on behind it.  From the slightly raised fairway on #2 you can see a lot of the course behind the green, including #6, which IMO is the best hole on the property.  I'm biased, but I love the feeling of "play" on the golf course and I don't want to feel like I'm the only person out there.

Good answer. Thanks.
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Jeff Goldman

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2007, 03:12:45 PM »
Terry, thanks for the kind words, and they are correct insofar as nothing would have happened without you and GCA.

Chris, the South course has 16 holes from the original course 1, designed originally by Bendelow.  It lost 2 holes in the 1940s when land and most of courses 2 and 3 were sold.  Now, holes 8 and 9 on the South Course are from Course 2, designed by Willie Watson, possibly with Bendelow's assistance.  8 is an amalgam of the first tee and fairway, and the greensite from hole 17.  9 is the 18th hole from course 2, basically as original.

During the 1920s, many changes were made to the course, which are pretty well documented and virtually all for the better.  I do not know who was responsible for the changes.  It could have been head pro Jack Daray, and archie in his own right, or Watson, or even Willie Park, because minutes from 1920 state that he had been hired as a consultant for courses 1, 2, and 3.

Jason, we did hit the budget.  $1.2 million for irrigation, and $1.7 for everything else, and by everything I mean everything.  I even included the retail cost of the room Patrick lived in at the club and his food at the club, and printing, advertising and mailing costs for the master plan sent to the membership.  We have a little left over if we have to sod some areas next spring.  

The process was interesting.  We emphasized the fact that, though the course would look completely different because of the redone bunkering, it should be more challenging for better players and more fun for the rest of us.  We used historic pictures and the plan that Steve and Patrick came up with, and held a couple member forums, though these were lightly attended.  Actually most of the "selling" was in telephone calls and just hanging out at the club talking to people, and answering questions.

Also, the buzz around the club has been excellent.  I thought, and still think, that some of the work will be controversial, which is all to the good, but so far the membership can't wait to get out there.

For the clearing, we used Homer Tree Service, who did a terrific job, $12,000 under my expected costs.  However, they would go over better if their trucks were labeled "Homer Plumbing" rather than Homer Tree Service.  

Dan,

The trees near 13 green and 14 tee stayed, and the cart path was routed through them to hide it and give a nice route.  We did chop the pine trees behind 12 green, a long uphill par 3, revealing 2 towering oaks.  People were concerned about that, but all agreed after that it was a great change.

Jeff
« Last Edit: November 29, 2007, 06:35:58 PM by Jeff Goldman »
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Chris_Blakely

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2007, 04:12:26 PM »
Jeff,

Is the restored look of the bunkers in the "after" pictures meant to be done in the look / style of the original Tom Bendelow bunkering?

Thanks,
Chris

Mark Pearce

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2007, 04:23:57 PM »
Jeff,

Looks like a great job.  I didn't see much of the South course when I visited OF in April but it looks like you guys now have two great courses to be proud of.

Regards,

Mark
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Dan Kelly

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2007, 04:37:47 PM »
Dan,

The trees near 13 green and 14 tee stayed, and the cart path was routed through them to hide it and give a nice route.  We did chop the pine trees behind 12 green, a long uphill par 3, revealing 2 towering oaks.  People were concerned about that, but all agreed after that it was a great change.

Jeff

Thanks, Jeff -- but actually, I was asking Jason Topp about the beautiful pines near 13 green and 14 tee at HIS course! (I've never been to Olympia Fields, so I didn't know you had trees worth saving there!) I love towering oaks, too, so ... good work!

Dan
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Dan Moore

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Re:Photos of the work on Olympia Fields South
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2007, 06:21:34 PM »
Jeff,

Congrats on the project.  Looking forward to seeing the finished product.  

Fourteen is a terrific short par 3 that is now even better.  As you can barely see in the before and after photos it has a very neat array of old school mounds around the sides and back.  I'll try to post some photos tonight.  In the meantime here is an aerial look at 13 and 14 from 1938.  

Do you think the old photo and aerial show Bendelow's original bunkering or are they a result of the 1920's changes?  Regardless, Bendelow's stature as an architect is higher in my mind than most based on the sixth hole alone.    


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