News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.

Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Down

Adam Clayman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Rees's Speeches
« on: October 30, 2007, 01:10:55 AM »
From the Golf Digest article on their recent summit.

Quote
Jones, who has remodeled Pinehurst No. 2 and his own No. 7, not to mention several Open venues, seemed to agree that this devotion was cosmetic. "Form follows function," he said. He criticized an almost fad-like return to "splashy" old unkempt looking bunkers as neither practical nor germaine to designs and symptomatic of an overly literal approach. "Every golf course with splashy bunkers should not make the (100 Greatest) list."

Isn't this guy a GM panelist?

 :o
« Last Edit: October 30, 2007, 01:11:44 AM by Adam Clayman »
Logged
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

corey miller

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2007, 01:57:07 AM »


How does Rees explain the changes to the bunkering at Atlantic his own course?
Logged

Rich Goodale

Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2007, 02:03:02 AM »
Adam

As TEP says, it's a great big world of golf out there.  Why shouldn't Rees's views be listened to, or even reflected in the GM rankings?  What he says about form vs. function is something which underlies many of the most interesting (and maybe even the most "important") debates we have on the website.  IMO.
Logged

Jonathan Cummings

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2007, 05:48:47 AM »
Christ Corey I was just about to post the very same question.  I think the driver was owner Lowell S. who likes the looks of Friar's Head and Sand Hills.  Who is re-doing Atlantics bunkers - anybody know?  I'm not sure but I don't think it is Rees.

JC
Logged

Gene Greco

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2007, 05:53:03 AM »
Quote from: Jonathan on October 30, 2007, 05:48:47 AM
Christ Corey I was just about to post the very same question.  I think the driver was owner Lowell S. who likes the looks of Friar's Head and Sand Hills.  Who is re-doing Atlantics bunkers - anybody know?  I'm not sure but I don't think it is Rees.

JC


I believe it is being done in house by their super Bob Ranum. He is one of the best and most liked and respected in the US.
Logged
"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

Don_Mahaffey

Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2007, 07:29:53 AM »
"Every golf course with splashy bunkers should not make the (100 Greatest) list."

I agree.
Logged

jeffwarne

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2007, 08:03:09 AM »
Quote from: corey_miller on October 30, 2007, 01:57:07 AM


How does Rees explain the changes to the bunkering at Atlantic his own course?


I'm pretty sure Rees is trying to figure that out also. ;)

Lowell Schulman is not the "owner" of Atlantic.
He sold the club to the members at least 12 years ago and the power structure at Atlantic has reflected that for a LONG time.
Logged
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Mike_Cirba

Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2007, 08:08:11 AM »
Speaking of following fads and other aesthetic issues, is this "flashy"..."Splashy"?









Or is this??








Or, perhaps something out in the wild, rugged west?



« Last Edit: October 30, 2007, 08:26:54 AM by MPCirba »
Logged

jeffwarne

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2007, 08:16:26 AM »
errr... Mike,

the word is "splashy"
Logged
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Bill_McBride

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2007, 08:16:32 AM »
Quote from: MPCirba on October 30, 2007, 08:08:11 AM



Mike Cirba, you devil, I was looking for that same photo.  Great contrast!   :o  LOL
« Last Edit: October 30, 2007, 08:17:45 AM by Bill_McBride »
Logged

Mike Sweeney

Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2007, 08:25:54 AM »
Serious question for the Supers, assuming these two courses had similar seasons (and wind) and maintenance crew cost, how do these compare in terms of cost to maintain over a 10 year period?

 
Quote from: MPCirba on October 30, 2007, 08:08:11 AM







Rees' Golf Club of Cape Cod

« Last Edit: October 30, 2007, 08:26:36 AM by Mike Sweeney »
Logged

Mike_Cirba

Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2007, 08:28:30 AM »
Mike,

He's trying, huh?   ;)

What exactly do those bunkers do on that hole?  Seriously..

Logged

Mike Sweeney

Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2007, 08:51:52 AM »
Quote from: MPCirba on October 30, 2007, 08:28:30 AM
Mike,

He's trying, huh?   ;)

What exactly do those bunkers do on that hole?  Seriously..



Never played it. I am guessing that is the forward tee, and that there is a back and to the right tee.
Logged

Rich Goodale

Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2007, 08:52:32 AM »
Quote from: MPCirba on October 30, 2007, 08:08:11 AM
Speaking of following fads and other aesthetic issues, is this "flashy"..."Splashy"?









Or is this??








Or, perhaps something out in the wild, rugged west?





All, in their own way.
Logged

Mike_Cirba

Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2007, 08:57:19 AM »
Quote from: Mike Sweeney on October 30, 2007, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: MPCirba on October 30, 2007, 08:28:30 AM
Mike,

He's trying, huh?   ;)

What exactly do those bunkers do on that hole?  Seriously..



Never played it. I am guessing that is the forward tee, and that there is a back and to the right tee.

Mike,

I looked at the website..

It's the 304 yard second hole, par four.  

Can you at least speculate on what those bunkers are doing there?  ;D

Here's some more snaps...





It looks as though he's trying to evolve from his aesthetic pattern of the past 35 years.  

Logged

Adam Clayman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2007, 08:57:52 AM »
Quote from: Richard Farnsworth Goodale on October 30, 2007, 02:03:02 AM
Adam

As TEP says, it's a great big world of golf out there.  Why shouldn't Rees's views be listened to, or even reflected in the GM rankings?  What he says about form vs. function is something which underlies many of the most interesting (and maybe even the most "important") debates we have on the website.  IMO.

Rihc- You truly must be the cognoscenti since you're cognisant of opinions not expressed.
 
I did recently hear of one reason... It may be Bobby's firm but those employed by the Jones firm are NOT allowed to post in this forum.
Clearly they read it and forbidding them from posting shows a lack of testicular fortitude, IMO.
Logged
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Rich Goodale

Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2007, 09:00:28 AM »
If so, Adam, what was the point of your post opening the thread?

Rich

Ok, I gotta give you a bit of a smiley, big guy.... ;)
Logged

Adam Clayman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2007, 09:11:13 AM »
Keep on giving. It's the standing up to and giving back that makes life spicey. I suppose thats why I mention the First Amendment violation.

But seriously, I could've sworn I just read it is the GM list that has kept these types of courses center stage.
Logged
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Adam Clayman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2007, 09:19:17 AM »
BTW, "An overly literal approach"?
Logged
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

JESII

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2007, 09:19:44 AM »
Quote from: Adam Clayman on October 30, 2007, 08:57:52 AM

I did recently hear of one reason... It may be Bobby's firm but those employed by the Jones firm are NOT allowed to post in this forum.
Clearly they read it and forbidding them from posting shows a lack of testicular fortitude, IMO.



How so Adam?

I know of another in the golf industry that seems to discourage posting on here by his team...I understand it. What about that approach lacks balls?
Logged

Adam Clayman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2007, 09:24:02 AM »
C,mon Sully, It's "anti-intellecualism"

Some well read minority upstart starts pissing on your parade and you don't stand up to the criticism?

It's down right cowardly.
Logged
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Mike Sweeney

Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2007, 09:24:43 AM »
Quote from: JES II on October 30, 2007, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: Adam Clayman on October 30, 2007, 08:57:52 AM

I did recently hear of one reason... It may be Bobby's firm but those employed by the Jones firm are NOT allowed to post in this forum.
Clearly they read it and forbidding them from posting shows a lack of testicular fortitude, IMO.



How so Adam?

I know of another in the golf industry that seems to discourage posting on here by his team...I understand it. What about that approach lacks balls?

Some (including my wife!) might say that would encourage REAL productivity at work!

Speaking of which...........
Logged

Adam Clayman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2007, 09:31:25 AM »
And after work?
Logged
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Jim Franklin

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2007, 09:33:03 AM »
Quote from: MPCirba on October 30, 2007, 08:28:30 AM
Mike,

He's trying, huh?   ;)

What exactly do those bunkers do on that hole?  Seriously..



Mike -

I am speculating because I never been there, but maybe the fairway is flatter by the bunkers therefore making the left side of the fairway a better playing surface to the green. If you play safe to the right, you have more undulation plus you are below green level. Just one man's opinion looking at a picture.
Logged
Mr Hurricane

Adam Clayman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Rees's Speeches
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2007, 09:40:47 AM »
The more I think of it the feistier I get.

Overly literal? Hmm. He must be referring to Darwin, Behr & other ODG's who wrote about the sport and it's fields. Not surprising Ol man Jones is known for his writting too. Only difference...Self promotion.

Plus, Rees's exclusionary comment about courses with splashy bunkering isnt very Big World. Is it?
« Last Edit: October 30, 2007, 09:41:31 AM by Adam Clayman »
Logged
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Up
Tags:
Tags:

An Error Has Occurred!

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()
Back