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Sam Kestin

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2016, 04:12:13 PM »
Definitely a shame. Looked like a pretty good golf course and was really well managed by Larry Menne (HP/DOG) and John Napier (principal at RDC--a small management company that has a stable of public/private facilities including Forsgate).


I had the privilege of working with both of those guys for two years while I ran the NY Metro market for GolfNow. Smart, savvy operators and always a pleasure to work with. There were plenty of course operators I dreaded calling/meeting--but Larry and John certainly did not fit that bill.


For what it's worth--if I was a betting man--I would take "course stays open" and the odds.


It's been the Tropicana (Las Vegas) of Long Island golf for a while now--no matter how many stories, rumors and whispers I heard about it closing it never ceased to remain operational.

Matt Frey, PGA

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2016, 09:57:33 AM »
I visited Tallgrass for the first time on Saturday with Joe Bausch and we had an absolute blast.

The course is so much fun to play. There is a lot of room on most of the holes (the course will "narrow" a bit when the native grasses grow during the season) and there are multiple play options for each, even the par threes.

The short par fours on this course are outstanding, in my opinion. No. 6 is wonderful. There's a little kick plate over the fairway bunkers that could help drives or approach shots tumble onto the green, but depending on the wind, shot and conditions, could easily shoot the ball over the green into the abyss that lurks behind (recoveries are possible, but unlikely).

While it was only April 9, the conditions were great. The greens were in terrific shape and fairly quick. The turf was firm, which allowed us to play a variety of shots into and around the greens.

In speaking with Tallgrass' PGA head professional, Larry Menne, as it stands right now, the course is unlikely to remain open, unfortunately. An energy company is courting the principals to place solar panels on the property (expanding what are already in place across the street from the course). I am all for renewable energy, but it would be a damn shame to see this course go away...it is so much fun and provides the locals with an awesome and affordable public golf design.

Larry did say that there is an outside chance that the project may be delayed, and they could drum up more support to keep it open, but it's all still up in the air right now. I offered to provide Larry some information on courses going through similar situations that have had some success (e.g. Save Muny); hopefully that can help. The thing that they have going in their favor, according to Larry, is that most (if not all) of the local residents want to keep the course.

Joe Bausch will undoubtedly have a photo album of the course to share from our visit. 

SteveOgulukian

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2016, 04:01:56 PM »
Glad to hear that the 6th was playing as a Par 4.  For the past few years they've moved the tees up to make it a horrible 190 yd par 3.  SO much better as a short par 4.

Matt Frey, PGA

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2016, 04:05:15 PM »
Glad to hear that the 6th was playing as a Par 4.  For the past few years they've moved the tees up to make it a horrible 190 yd par 3.  SO much better as a short par 4.
Unfortunately, Steve, they still had the tee markers at 187 yards, but we went back and played the hole from the appropriate tee box.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2016, 04:43:03 PM »
I wish the lighting was better last Saturday, but I think this album does a nice job and showing you how neat a course it is.  Go see it soon as I think the closing is near....


http://xchem.villanova.edu/~bausch/images/albums/Tallgrass/
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

JJShanley

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2016, 05:20:14 PM »
Did you hear of a closing date?  I may end up in that neck of.the woods in early-August and would head out that way if open.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2016, 05:27:59 PM »
Did you hear of a closing date?  I may end up in that neck of.the woods in early-August and would head out that way if open.


You better get there sooner, JJ.
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

JJShanley

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2016, 05:29:14 PM »
Did you hear of a closing date?  I may end up in that neck of.the woods in early-August and would head out that way if open.


You better get there sooner, JJ.

Alas, my research schedule is set for the summer.  That's a shame.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2016, 07:56:04 PM »
If you are really interested in how to build some very good short par 4's, then you should study Tallgrass. IMHO of course.


This cool layout is built on I think less than 100 acres of land.
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

Mark Fedeli

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2016, 11:03:48 PM »
If you are really interested in how to build some very good short par 4's, then you should study Tallgrass. IMHO of course.


This cool layout is built on I think less than 100 acres of land.

The short par 4s are wonderful. 10 especially is diabolical. Reminds me a bit of Riviera. The template par 3s are also great. A reverse redan, a short, and a dell. Really gonna miss the old girl.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2016, 07:58:11 AM by Mark Fedeli »
South Jersey to Brooklyn. @marrrkfedeli

Joe Bausch

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2016, 09:44:42 AM »
They should be open through the end of May at least.
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

Matt Frey, PGA

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2016, 02:28:18 PM »
A source from within the Met Section is reporting that Tallgrass has gotten a reprieve and will be open for 2016 under the direction of PGA Head Professional Larry Menne!


The fight may not be over, but this is great news!

Joe Bausch

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2016, 02:31:13 PM »
A source from within the Met Section is reporting that Tallgrass has gotten a reprieve and will be open for 2016 under the direction of PGA Head Professional Larry Menne!


The fight may not be over, but this is great news!


 ;D
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

JJShanley

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2016, 02:35:46 PM »
If my research trip to CT and RI goes ahead this summer, I will definitely take the ferry to LI and play here!  Great news!  Let's hope they can sustain the place!

MCirba

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2016, 04:18:33 PM »
Great to hear, Matt...thanks!
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

https://cobbscreek.org/

Mike Sweeney

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2016, 08:25:38 AM »
Great to hear, Matt...thanks!


This has been going on for years, but I am guessing that Tallgrass is near the end. Open till September 2016:


http://www.golfonlongisland.com/teebox/2016/05/business-as-usual-tallgrass-will-remain-open-through-summer-per-newsday.html
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

JC Jones

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2016, 10:09:57 AM »
Great to hear, Matt...thanks!


This has been going on for years, but I am guessing that Tallgrass is near the end. Open till September 2016:


http://www.golfonlongisland.com/teebox/2016/05/business-as-usual-tallgrass-will-remain-open-through-summer-per-newsday.html

You dont think GCA should get together and buy it?  ;D
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Mark Fedeli

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2017, 05:32:50 PM »
Looks like it's finally official, as of yesterday: http://www.golfonlongisland.com/teebox/2017/03/tallgrass-golf-course-in-shoreham-has-closed.html


Can't find anything else about it online yet.
South Jersey to Brooklyn. @marrrkfedeli

Dave Doxey

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2017, 06:33:07 PM »
Amazing that it is more valuable as land for a 'solar farm' than as an existing golf course.  I could understand if it went to housing or commercial lots...

Joe Bausch

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2017, 07:06:47 PM »
Pretty sure it is a done deal.  I've heard this thru the pro there (and a pro friend of mine).
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

jeffwarne

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2017, 09:35:25 AM »
again?
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Andrew Keddie

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2017, 10:28:19 AM »
Glad I got to play it last summer, sad to see it go. It was a really nice addition to a Bethpage trip and an impressive use of a small property.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2017, 11:59:35 AM »
Have you ever considered the possibility that people who pay to play golf expect more bang for their buck than modern minimalism?

Joe Hancock

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2017, 12:34:15 PM »
Have you ever considered the possibility that people who pay to play golf expect more bang for their buck than modern minimalism?


Are you talking architecture or wine lists?


Seriously, you must not have thought of Bandon before you posted the above.
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Tallgrass, likely to be NLE
« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2017, 12:38:56 PM »
What is minimal about Bandon?