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Joe Bentham

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2007, 05:25:25 PM »
  Have played the Crossings 4 times since it opened late July.  I'd disagree with Ari about its position among public access courses in Oregon.  Better then Sandpines?  Maybe, but only by the slimmest of margins (my opinion of Sandpines is generally lower then others).  Better then Ghost Creek, CrossWater, Running Y or Tokatee?  IMO no way. The architect made no effort on the behalf of the walker.  And the namesake course feature is IMO the weak link in the routing.  The low spot that provides the green setting for the blind par 5 5th and the drop shot par 3 14th might be unplayable in the winter and is the main culprit in the walking issues.  The hike/cart ride from 5 green to 6 tee is three times as long and twice as steep as the hill on Trails (13 green-14 tee).  The hike/cart ride from 14 green to 15 tee isn't as long but is equally steep.  
  As for the golf holes themselves, there isn't much there for me to get excited about.  The holes on the north side of the low spot sit on pasture land and save for 4, 17 and 18 are throw aways (especially 15 and 16).  The holes south of the lowspot sit in the trees, reminiscent of the forest holes on Trails in vegetation only.  While much more interesting then the other side of the course, I'd be pressed to identify the best of the bunch.
  I couldn't with a clear conscience recommend an afternoon round there over an additional round at the resort.  It won't save you any money, it won't keep you out of the wind and its mediocrity coupled with the resorts excellence would leave you disappointed to say the least.  And if riding carts is that big of an attraction to you maybe your better off spending your vacation dollars somewhere other then Bandon in the first place.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2007, 05:28:31 PM by Joe Bentham »

Tom Huckaby

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2007, 05:28:24 PM »
Slag:

As you hopefully read, I am sold on Crossings and sure do hope to play it one day.  Or at least I as until I read Joe's post.  Now I'm confused.

But as for your questions, well... I have been to Dornoch - twice - and I have never played Brora.

See, in this imperfect world, there's this thing called time.  And since most travellers have not enough of it, they are forced to prioritize.

Thus the questions about Crossings are eminently fair, I think.  You have to keep in mind what you're LEAVING and NOT PLAYING in favor of going there.  And while I am definitely one who prefers to see a lot of courses a few times rather than a few a lot of times, well... that only applies if the "other courses" are of a certain quality and are worth seeing on their own.

As is Wild Horse, and I hear is Brora... and from what we see and read, is Bandon Crossings.

It's just not a no brainer/why are you asking kinda thing.

TH

ps to JK - I too can't see any wisdom in doing Ballyneal and Sand Hills on the same trip - either way you short-shrift the great experience to be had staying at either - that is unless one is fully convinced he'll never get back to within 1000 miles of either.  Sadly that's the case for a lot of people.  So whereas I'd sure hope I wouldn't try to do both, well... if and when I head out that way the temptation will be great.  I take nothing for granted in this life.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2007, 05:34:30 PM by Tom Huckaby »

Kalen Braley

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2007, 05:29:32 PM »
Joe,

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here.  But why did you play it more than once if its so mediocre and in no less than a few weeks??
« Last Edit: August 24, 2007, 05:32:45 PM by Kalen Braley »

Ari Techner

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2007, 06:45:57 PM »
Joe,

Everyone has their own opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs.  I have played all the courses you list and IMO Crossings is better than each of them and a whole lot better than Sand Pines.  Not even in the same league.  

I do agree with your criticism of the routing.  If you are looking to walk this is not the place.  But the course is great and a whole lot of fun to play if you dont mind the cart of course.  Personally I liked 15, but i do agree that tee to fairway 16 is a bit of a weak hole without alot of definition but I really liked the green and the green complex.  Standout holes imo would include 1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,12,18
« Last Edit: August 24, 2007, 06:49:40 PM by Ari Techner »

Joe Bentham

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2007, 11:53:32 PM »
Ari
15 is a classic example of a hole with looks and no substance.  What hazard do the bunkers present? There is no incentive to be on one side of the center fairway bunker or the other.  And even from the back tees into the wind you can blow it over them.
  What about 16 green is there to like?  Its shaped like a pool table and is almost as flat as one.  
  Calling the Crossings the best public golf in Oregon besides the resort does a huge injustice to a very rich golfing state.  Emerald Valley in Creswell, Quail Valley in Banks, Wildhorse in Pendleton, Eastmoreland in Portland (Chandler Egan design), Gearhart golf links with a history dating back to 1888, the list literally goes on and on.  If there is a top 50 in Oregon list Crossings is a whole lot closer to the bottom then the top if on the list at all.


Kalen
My playing privileges at Bandon Dunes resort are dependent on open tee times.  Try and get a tee time before 4:00 at any of the courses on the resort for tomorrow.  Tell me how successful you are.  Our options for golf in Coos county besides Crossings are face rock in Bandon, Kentuck and Coos CC in Coos Bay and Sunset bay in Charleston.  Crossings is the class of that bunch and the closest to boot.  It wins by default.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2007, 12:28:03 AM by Joe Bentham »

Ari Techner

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2007, 03:52:23 AM »
Joe,

From memory on 15 the fairway to the left of the fairway bunker is much tigher but provides a better angle into the green and a much better view of the flag.  In the times I have played the course we were not blowing the ball over that bunker.  You must be a heck of a long hitter.  

I liked the 16th green because it is long and skinny which imo presents a good challenge to hit and I liked the falloff on the edges.  Something about the green fit my eye.  I do agree the rest of that hole needs more definition especially for a shortish Par 4.  

Were going to have to agree to disagree I guess.  Again I have played all the courses you list except Quail Valley (i live in Eugene) and imo Crossings is a league ahead of Emerald Valley, Wildhorse, Eastmoreland and Gearhart.  I dont think you are giving the course its due but again that is just my opinions.  

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2007, 10:54:08 AM »
Michael Dugger,

I agree with you.

Some golfers will experience a fatigue factor that leads them to the Crossings and cart use.

Others will think, "heck, I'm here, let me experience another nearby golf course"

Others will be the product of overflow or limited capacity, and play the Crossings in a "treading water" or "holding pattern" context.

There's a reason that other franchises open up near a MacDonalds, and that reason will lead to utilization at Bandon Crossings.

Joe Bentham

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2007, 03:57:17 PM »
Joe,

From memory on 15 the fairway to the left of the fairway bunker is much tigher but provides a better angle into the green and a much better view of the flag.  In the times I have played the course we were not blowing the ball over that bunker.  You must be a heck of a long hitter.  

I liked the 16th green because it is long and skinny which imo presents a good challenge to hit and I liked the falloff on the edges.  Something about the green fit my eye.  I do agree the rest of that hole needs more definition especially for a shortish Par 4.  

Were going to have to agree to disagree I guess.  Again I have played all the courses you list except Quail Valley (i live in Eugene) and imo Crossings is a league ahead of Emerald Valley, Wildhorse, Eastmoreland and Gearhart.  I dont think you are giving the course its due but again that is just my opinions.  

  Ari
15 is 355 from the back tees.  I've hit driver, wedge into the wind and hybrid, wedge down wind.  All four times I was over the bunkering.  Short Left of the bunker doesn't provide a better sight line into the green, its partially blind from either side.
16 is 325 from the tips, down wind.  Short of building a clone of 14 green at Trails, there aren't many greens hard to hit when your second shot is consistently half a flip wedge or bump and run.  Certainly not one as flat as 16.
While I might be underrating it a slight bit, would you ever consider the fact that you might be overrating it?  how many times have you played it?  Is the 'newness' of it clouding your judgment?  Or do you know the Owners (their from Eugene also)?  There has to be an explanation for your total disregard for the rest of the public golf roster in the great state of Oregon.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2007, 04:01:56 PM by Joe Bentham »

Ari Techner

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2007, 04:45:32 PM »
Joe,

From memory on 15 the fairway to the left of the fairway bunker is much tigher but provides a better angle into the green and a much better view of the flag.  In the times I have played the course we were not blowing the ball over that bunker.  You must be a heck of a long hitter.  

I liked the 16th green because it is long and skinny which imo presents a good challenge to hit and I liked the falloff on the edges.  Something about the green fit my eye.  I do agree the rest of that hole needs more definition especially for a shortish Par 4.  

Were going to have to agree to disagree I guess.  Again I have played all the courses you list except Quail Valley (i live in Eugene) and imo Crossings is a league ahead of Emerald Valley, Wildhorse, Eastmoreland and Gearhart.  I dont think you are giving the course its due but again that is just my opinions.  

  Ari
15 is 355 from the back tees.  I've hit driver, wedge into the wind and hybrid, wedge down wind.  All four times I was over the bunkering.  Short Left of the bunker doesn't provide a better sight line into the green, its partially blind from either side.
16 is 325 from the tips, down wind.  Short of building a clone of 14 green at Trails, there aren't many greens hard to hit when your second shot is consistently half a flip wedge or bump and run.  Certainly not one as flat as 16.
While I might be underrating it a slight bit, would you ever consider the fact that you might be overrating it?  how many times have you played it?  Is the 'newness' of it clouding your judgment?  Or do you know the Owners (their from Eugene also)?  There has to be an explanation for your total disregard for the rest of the public golf roster in the great state of Oregon.

Joe

I have played the course 3 times.  Each time 15 was into a good wind and none of us (all good single digit players that can hit the ball) hit it over the bunker.  Past maybe but not flown over.  Maybe it was where the pin was each day but the view from the left was clear and it was not on the right.  I disagree about the partial wedge on 16 also.  IMO that shot is a hard one especially to a green that is very narrow.  That hole would be smartest played by laying up and leaving a full shot rather than the partial for all but the best ams or tour pros.  

I do not know the owners at all I did not even know they were from Eugene.  

The newness is not clouding my judgement either.  I simply call it like I see it and I enjoyed playing this course.  I also dont think I am overrating the course at all.  All the people I played with agreed with me as did Slag in his post above (he went even further to say its in his Top 5 in Oregon)

Honestly I dont think most of the public golf in Oregon is very good unfortunetly.  All of the courses you mentioned are average at best or worse (Sand Pines) other than Crosswater which is very good but I enjoy the options and creativity that you can have at Crossings alot more than the brutal long punishing Crosswater.  I have played all over and trust me I wish there was more that I wanted to go back and see but there isnt.  Have you lived in Oregon your whole life?  Have you played alot of public golf in alot of other states perticularly in the midwest or east?  At the top end Oregon is great for golf because of the courses at Bandon and a few of the better privates.  But other than that its pretty barren imo.  Fortunetly I can concentrate my rounds at the resort, Crossings and Eugene CC so I dont have to worry about it.  All of the "better" public courses that you mention would be completely overlooked in a public golf rich state like say Michigan where I lived before I moved to Oregon.  
« Last Edit: August 25, 2007, 04:49:25 PM by Ari Techner »

Joe Bentham

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2007, 05:42:52 PM »
Ari--
As I suspected, not an Oregonian just another transplant.  And yes I've been lucky to play golf all over the country and a bit overseas.  I'd agree that Oregon minus the Resort isn't the public golf mecca that upstate Michigan (but really where else is?) is.  I also don't remeber comparing Oregon public golf to other state's public golf.  The discussion was Crossings compared to other Oregon public golf.  Both courses at the Reserve, OGA course at Woodburn, Diamond Woods, Myrtle Creek to name a few more that are clearly better then Crossings.  
I have also discussed this with others (caddies who've played Crossings more then ANYONE, and much more Oregon golf then you I'm sure) and although most like Crossings more then I do, no one shared your opinion.  
Please elaborate on which holes present options at the Crossings.  Besides club selection off the tee on the shorter 4pars, I just don't see many.  And Like I've already said, save for 2, I don't see much charcter in the short 4s.

 
« Last Edit: August 25, 2007, 05:45:01 PM by Joe Bentham »

Ari Techner

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2007, 06:00:46 PM »
Joe,

Very sorry to offend you by being born in another state, Ill have to have a chat with my parents.  Oregon is definitely my home now I wouldnt have it any other way.  

The fact that you just said that Myrtle Creek is better than Crossings makes it very very hard for me to take your opinion seriously.    I thought that was one of the worst courses I have ever played in fact 2 of the golf pros that I was playing with left after the 11th hole the course was so bad.  Goofy golf at its worst.  I felt like I had somehow been transported to a course on Mario Golf, and a bad one at that.  

Real quick on options at Crossings since I have to go to bed and get to an early tee time at Lahinch tomorrow.  On 3 you can fly the ball at the pin or try to use the rolls short left of the green and bounce the ball to the hole.  The 5th hole you have quite a few options on the second shot, hit a wood or long iron down toward the drop shot green or lay up short and go at it with a wedge or short iron.  On 8 you can play safe and go the long right side route or challenge the fairway tree and others on the left side and try to cut off a bunch of yardage from the tee.  On 9 you can play a low fade around the bunker and use the green to get the ball close or you can try to fly it to the hole.  On 10 you can try to run it down the hill to the blind green with a running shot or try to fly it to the pin.  On 11 you can use the high left lip to get the ball close to the hole or try to fly it in.  We have discussed 15.  On 18 you have many options depening on your drive.  You can layup or go over the ravine to give yourself a shorter shot.  Once on the other side you can do just about anything from a putter from 100y played off the right side of the hill to any kind of running iron to any kind of wedge shot.  That just off the top of my head from memory having played there 3 times.  I am sure there are more options I just havent found them yet.  In comparison pretty much all of the courses you list force you to hit a specific shot and then force you to hit another specific shot.  If you dont you are in trouble.  If thats your thing more power to you but I dont find that kind of golf very enjoyable.  
« Last Edit: August 25, 2007, 06:19:02 PM by Ari Techner »

Joe Hancock

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2007, 06:07:29 PM »
Talk about irony....Bandon Crossing was designed by an Oregonian, yet all the courses at Bandon Dunes Resort were designed by transplants......

Great debating point.

Joe
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Joe Bentham

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2007, 06:29:19 PM »

Ari
Myrtle Creek is the type of course Crossings should be compared to.  Both walking prohibative and strategically uninteresting.  I'd give MC the nod because of the severity of the property (they don't get as big a knock for the walking issues).  But both courses feature holes that are interchangeable to me.  5 at Crossings is the big sister of 10@MC (both bad holes).  10, 12 and 13 could all be at MC.  I appreciate you making my argument for me.  Is Myrtle Creek anything other then mediocre cart golf?  No.  Is Crossings?  No.
 Please elaborate on which holes present options at the Crossings.  Besides club selection off the tee on the shorter 4pars, I just don't see many.  And Like I've already said, save for 2, I don't see much character in the short 4s.
 

Joe Bentham

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2007, 06:33:54 PM »
Talk about irony....Bandon Crossing was designed by an Oregonian, yet all the courses at Bandon Dunes Resort were designed by transplants......

Great debating point.

Joe
Joe

Please point out where I said Oregon public golf was the best or Oregonians designed the best courses,etc.  My argument and issue is with placing the Crossings at the top of whats a nice list of public golf courses.  I don't think it belongs there.  Have you played Crossings?  Have you played Golf in Oregon besides the Bandon Dunes resort?  Have you played at Bandon?  Do you have anything constructive to add?

Ari Techner

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2007, 06:41:01 PM »

Ari
Myrtle Creek is the type of course Crossings should be compared to.  Both walking prohibative and strategically uninteresting.  I'd give MC the nod because of the severity of the property (they don't get as big a knock for the walking issues).  But both courses feature holes that are interchangeable to me.  5 at Crossings is the big sister of 10@MC (both bad holes).  10, 12 and 13 could all be at MC.  I appreciate you making my argument for me.  Is Myrtle Creek anything other then mediocre cart golf?  No.  Is Crossings?  No.
 Please elaborate on which holes present options at the Crossings.  Besides club selection off the tee on the shorter 4pars, I just don't see many.  And Like I've already said, save for 2, I don't see much character in the short 4s.
 

Wow Joe I really just dont know what to say.  If that is honestly how you feel about MC vs Crossings than I really have nothing else to say as this is clearly lost on you.  MC is bad golf at its worst and imo shouldnt be played by anybody that appreciates good golf.  Crossings is alot of fun to play, fair and presents options.  Knock it for the lack of walking possibility (although I have seen people walk it) but thats really all there is to knock about it.  Its no 10 but it is a great golf course in a state that imo is lacking great public golf away from Bandon Dunes resort.    

Please see my post above for options at Crossings it was clearly spelled out there.  

Also remember i didnt say it was the best public course in Oregon.  I have it at #4.  
« Last Edit: August 25, 2007, 06:52:56 PM by Ari Techner »

Joe Bentham

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2007, 07:14:34 PM »
Ari--

Most of the options you've layed out exist on even the most rudimentary golf courses.  The decision to lay up or go for it on a par 5 isn't an architectural one.  8 is my favorite hole on the course (I'm a lefty, it moves right to left ;)).  But your aren't rewarded with a better angle on the right and you can't hit it through on the left, so the risk isn't worth the 'reward'.  18 is best played from 1 fairway, so that tells you what kind of hole it is.  9 and 11 are good par 3's although the front 1/3 of 11 is useless for pin locations even at the moderate speeds the greens are running at.  It is also the loosest use of 'redan' I've ever seen.
  Is the ground game an option at Crossings?  Only in so far as there are greens with open fronts.  But the turf conditions don't lend themselves to it, and as a Bandon Caddie there isn't anyone who tries to fit that square peg in that round hole more then me.

Ari Techner

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2007, 07:29:07 PM »
Ari--

Most of the options you've layed out exist on even the most rudimentary golf courses.  The decision to lay up or go for it on a par 5 isn't an architectural one.  8 is my favorite hole on the course (I'm a lefty, it moves right to left ;)).  But your aren't rewarded with a better angle on the right and you can't hit it through on the left, so the risk isn't worth the 'reward'.  18 is best played from 1 fairway, so that tells you what kind of hole it is.  9 and 11 are good par 3's although the front 1/3 of 11 is useless for pin locations even at the moderate speeds the greens are running at.  It is also the loosest use of 'redan' I've ever seen.
  Is the ground game an option at Crossings?  Only in so far as there are greens with open fronts.  But the turf conditions don't lend themselves to it, and as a Bandon Caddie there isn't anyone who tries to fit that square peg in that round hole more then me.


Last comments because this is clearly lost on you based on your comparison to Myrtle creek and I have to go to bed if I hope to play well tomorrow morning.  The decision on 5 IS an architectural decision based on the drop off and how the green changes from blind to not blind when you get inside 150y or so.  It is not simply a flail away par 5 you actually have to think and contemplate what you are going to do and the pull it off.  On 8 you are rewarded with a much shorter second shot if you take it over the left side the risk being if you dont carry it far enough, hit that tree and bounce left or if the ball moves slightly more right to left (notice I didnt say draw in honor of the leftie) than you want you will likely never see your ball again.  11 is a great hole I would not get too workd up over their use of the word Redan look at it for what it is.  The grass is still longer in the fwys and around the greens than they would like because the course is so new.  Give it a year and it will be alot tighter and the ball will run more.  I have personally done everything that I mentioned as an option in my 3 rounds there including hit a chippy 4 iron from 135y that ran down the hill onto the green on 10 and hitting putter to 3 feet on 18 from a step inside 100 yards for a tap in birdie.  Those options simply do not exist on "even the most rudimentary golf courses".      

Andy Troeger

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2007, 08:01:02 PM »
Joe H.

I noticed that ironic twist too. I also noticed that Joe (a Bandon resort caddie) accused Ari of having alterior motives of knowing the owner of Bandon Crossings. Interesting.

Just wanted to throw in a useless comment from the peanut gallery  ;) ;D
« Last Edit: August 25, 2007, 08:01:45 PM by Andy Troeger »

Joe Bentham

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2007, 08:27:32 PM »
Joe H.

I noticed that ironic twist too. I also noticed that Joe (a Bandon resort caddie) accused Ari of having alterior motives of knowing the owner of Bandon Crossings. Interesting.

Just wanted to throw in a useless comment from the peanut gallery  ;) ;D

Andy
 Your right, I'm on here trying to drum up play for the busiest golf resort in the country.  We're worried you'll all fly out to ride in carts an look at industrial power lines and highway 101 instead of gorse and ocean.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2007, 12:20:44 AM by Joe Bentham »

Joe Hancock

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2007, 08:57:44 PM »
Joe Bentham,

I have played Bandon Trails once, and Pacific Dunes once. I have not played Bandon Crossings, so I really doubt I could add anything that you would consider constructive.

I think my pointing out the irony was correct, in the context of your comment about Ari's State of Origin....which probably, in your hindsight, wouldn't be considered "constructive".

Caddy on, my wayward son,(Oops, that was Kansas, not Oregon  :))

Joe
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Andy Troeger

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2007, 10:52:47 PM »
Joe B,
My sole intention was to point out the additional irony in your post. I think Joe H. got my point more than you probably did.

Joe H.
Good song  ;D ;)

Joe Bentham

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2007, 12:19:56 AM »
Andy--
  I asked Ari if he knew the owners of Crossings because the Eugene golf community is a somewhat close one and it was possible they ran in the same circles.  It was an honest question and a possible explanation for his hyperbole.

Pete_Pittock

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2007, 01:15:53 AM »
   I played Bandon Crossings only once, on its soft opening day. It is not up to the standards of the resort courses, but remember they set a very high standard. It will meet its business plan, which is to provide good affordable golf for residents of the south coast. Excluding the resort course, it is easily the best course within 90 minutes of Bandon.
    If I was on a three-four day blitz trip to Bandon, I doubt that I would play it. If there for a week Crossings would be a good diversion to play golf and rest the legs. EDIT: I am a 18-a-day kinda guy, if you play 36 you might swing by on a blitz tour.
    It is about 25-20 minutes south of the resort. If you can locate the Bandon beach loop road, it is about 1 mile south of the loop's south meeting with US 101, and located on the east side of 101.
    Drainage should not be an issue. There is enough natural slope on the site, natural drainage through the middle of the course, and it sits on sand and gravel. Very little clay. They are going to have some problems with cartage unless they constantly upgrade (or pave) cart path areas. I have known the superintendent, Brant Hathorn, for a number of years and have a lot of confidence in him.
    It will be less windy than the resort because it is inland, but wind is still a factor.
     I played Myrtle Creek the day after I played Crossings, and IMO Myrtle Creek comes in a poor second. In the Oregon non-resort category I would rate Crossings definitely behind Eagle Point (Medford) and Juniper (Redmond) but I can;t honestly rate any other course ahead of it. For the record I am a native Oregon with 50 yrs playing in state.
     There were a couple of things at the Crossings I was not pleased with, especially if I walked the course. First was the aforementioned hills/walk from 5-6 and 14-15. Given the sitey this is unavoidable. The property is disected by a 250 yard wide, forty-fifty foot deep valley and you need to play on both sides of it. In the pictures you will see sort of a corral.
Next to it is an alternate green for #5 to play as a four par.
If you play to this green you would continue to the 15th tee, allowing you to walk a level nine holes and avoid the long walk. The scorecard is creased for this option.
      The second 'fault' were two blind hazards, on #5 and #18, both in the way of the second shot. A proactive warning to survey the holes would be helpful.
      What did I like about the course. Great par threes. #6 is a downhill hybrid beauty. #9 has a bunker obstructing the view of the right hand pin. #11 has a kickplate at the right front which can channel your shot long left. #14 is a long drop shot.
       Most of the fives are reachable. I liked #4 the best although you do have to aim at major power line tower. If you cut the corner you can reach a tightly guarded green in 2.
      On the fours, #3 and #10 still stand in my memory. #3 for its bunkering directing the line of play and #10 for its counter-intuitive split fairway. The green stands at the end of the right lobe, but a drive down the left option will both cath a downslope and provide a beter angle for the green.
      Sorry for the delay in posting but I have been travelling and getting my photos in order. Now I just need a PDX local to lead me one-on-one through the steps of getting my pictures onto GCA.  
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Ari Techner

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Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2007, 03:49:30 AM »
Andy--
  I asked Ari if he knew the owners of Crossings because the Eugene golf community is a somewhat close one and it was possible they ran in the same circles.  It was an honest question and a possible explanation for his hyperbole.


LOL no hyperbole Joe just my opinion, which I hope you remember everyone is entitled to.  

(For the record I have not played the new Juniper yet and I have not played semi private Eagle Point either.  I will have to go check those out.  Maybe one of them will jump Crossings as my personal #4 Public access in Oregon)
« Last Edit: August 26, 2007, 03:50:42 AM by Ari Techner »

Andy Troeger

Re:Bandon Crossings is now open
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2007, 09:16:09 AM »
Andy--
  I asked Ari if he knew the owners of Crossings because the Eugene golf community is a somewhat close one and it was possible they ran in the same circles.  It was an honest question and a possible explanation for his hyperbole.


Joe,
Fair enough, as my statement was related to trying to investigate the cause of YOUR hyperbole, which seems more evident to the outside view than Ari's. Hence the irony.