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Mark Bourgeois

This course -- course -- in 2005 was listed on the National Register of Historic Places.  (Some would say the primary defense of its preservation was lack of governmental funds.  So be it.)



It is the first municipal course built in North Carolina, and originally I believe if in Asheville this was an obligatory stop for the hoi polloi keen to make the scene.  A Ross design, it opened in 1927.

The back tees play to 6,420, par of 72, although this course is at elevation so all other things being equal it plays a little (3-5 percent?) shorter.  Of course, being a Ross design "all other things" are not equal, as we will be making ascents and descents through the back nine, making some holes play longer than the card and some shorter.

1st hole, 386-yard par 4: you start from an elevated tee, hitting down into the milieu of the front nine: the alluvial plain of the mellifluous Swannanoa River. This hole actually (as well as the 9th and the green of the 8th) sits on the “bank” of the plain.



Approach



Green. Earlier that morning, I played Pinehurst #2.  Perhaps because those mental images were freshest, I saw striking similarities between the green complexes of each, in particular Ross’s use of raised greens on the flattish ground of the front nine at Asheville.  But you can look at the pictures and judge for yourselves.



The second hole is a 474-yard par 5. Note "cop"-like feature left: it doesn't obscure the view to the -- elevated! -- green, and sadly in this age you just blow your drive right over it.



Approach. It looks like a gentle rise, and it is, but the dropoff to the right is much more severe than appearances suggest, something like a good 8-10 feet.



And look at this (arghh-blurry photo of) green -- huge and contoured!



The 3rd hole -- I ask you, doesn't this look like a full-blooded two-shotter? It did to me.  I couldn't believe this was but a 268-yard par 4!  How the heck do you pull off a visual trick like that? It must be the lack of any features defining the "end" of the hole.



More visual deception: on approach your view of the green is obscured, but you assume the green and bunker fit together in a standard way...



...only to discover another crowned green!



The 4th hole is a dogleg right, 536-yard par 5, with a stream running down the right side of the hole.  The temptation to steer right is great, but the play is to the left.



Approach



4th green.  Standard-issue neglect here: many green outlines on the course have devolved into saucer-like patterns.  But the contours are still there -- and the slopes.  Along with the Grove Park Inn course, this course taught me the difference between slope and contour.  Based on my limited experience, a Ross mountain green will not have much contour, but will will have a ton of slope -- and good luck figuring which way.  The man was a master "confuser." (Apologies to Chief Decider Bush on that one.)



The 5th hole -- we have reversed course on every hole so far, check out the Google aerial: (I was too lazy to label the holes, but the upper of the two "paths" is the first hole, the lower is the second. The cluster of holes at bottom is the front nine; the "sausage links" up top is the back nine and plays in the mountains.)  And Bunkerman, count the bunkers!



The 5th, a dogleg left 414-yard par 4



5 Green



6th, a 169-yard par 3 -- another great green and an example of what Ross was about: this sucker's huge, that's how he made it playable for all (it's a muni) yet a challenge for the better golfer. (BTW the "better golfer" out there tends to be a junior; it's very affordable for kids. Can you imagine, growing up playing on an original Donald Ross, with hugely-sloping greens that'll sweat the starch out of your shorts in a hurry!)



Closer look at 6 green



Still closer; balls give some sense of contour



7th, a 406-yard dogleg right, the number-one handicap hole...



...approach to elevated green...



...that screams "Pinehurst!"



Right-side view of green; look at how high it is, it's Pinehurst #2 high



Interestingly, my first thought was they ought to shave the green sides, they've let maintenance go too far.  But did you know that in Richard Mandell's excellent book on Pinehurst he quotes an old-timer who said #2's green complexes were intended NOT to have shaved sides.  Ross wanted balls to get caught on those slopes; the idea was to make for highly-challenging chipping.  So maybe Asheville got this one right!


8th hole, 190-yard par 3, and we're making our ascent into the mountains.



8 green



9th hole, our first (but not last) taste of a Ross "up and over." 403-yard par 4.



Approach. Note excellent use of "dead ground"



9 green, benched into hillside



Mark

ed_getka

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Mark,
   Thanks for the post and pix. The course is interesting, but the golfer in Tevos and the barefooted Sam Snead impersonator are even more intriguing. The last person (and first person) I had ever seen on a golf course was Paul Turner. I have an indelible image of Paul's empty golf shoes behind the 6th green at Sand Hills burned into my memory. :)
« Last Edit: August 16, 2007, 09:40:01 PM by ed_getka »
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Mark Bourgeois

Ed,

They were friends. He had worked in high-tech on the West Coast but the millennial tech implosion told him to return to his native Asheville.  He is gaining a master's degree in counseling.  He said he "had structured his life to make it possible to live in Asheville."  He sounded to me like the kind of person I would want as a counselor.

She did some kind of audio-visual work and this was her first round in months.  The golf shoes irritated her untrained feet, so she played barefoot.  In further homage to Sam Snead, she racked up par after par.  I was surprised but her friend wasn't.  I wish I could do that.

They had time to play only nine holes, and I thoroughly enjoyed their company.  Best of luck to both of them.

Mark

PS He spoke very highly of Black Mountain, whose front nine is supposed to be another Donald Ross 1920s original, giving me further reason to return.

Adam Clayman

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Ross wanted balls to get caught on those slopes; the idea was to make for highly-challenging chipping.  So maybe Asheville got this one right!

This clearly is a misnomer. Having the rough next to the green that stops balls from their ultimate unpredictable conclusion, on short grass, is much more difficult than the one dimensional chop shot out of rough.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Mark Bourgeois

Mr C

I read that in Richard Mandell's book, "Pinehurst: Home of American Golf."

I don't think he meant "US Open-style" rough, maybe more like "resort-style" rough, where the ball would get "hung up" somewhere on the green complex slopes.

Here's what he wrote: "Ross never intended for each green complex to be shaved at fairway height as they are today.  He wanted golfers to chip around the greens with irons more so than using the putter."

Then he quotes Richard Tufts' son Peter: "He (Ross) stopped the fairway mowing at the edge of the green.  If you missed a green it might roll a little ways down on the green surface but the different heights in the fairway cut and the green cut would stop it so it wouldn't roll twenty or thirty feet.  Chipping was really tough.  And that's what Donald Ross had in mind in building the greens.  He wanted to bring chipping into the green in a strong manner."

That sure surprised me; not sure I'd want to go back to the way things were.

Mark
« Last Edit: August 17, 2007, 05:35:14 PM by Mark Bourgeois »

ed_getka

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Mark,
   I look forward to the day when my boys are through college so I can restructure my life to do something like that. 8) I'm leaning toward park ranger instead of counseling though.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Peter Pallotta

Mark - thank you for the pictures, and the comments. Two struck me:  

"I couldn't believe this was but a 268-yard par 4!"  I've had that feeling a few times on some local municpal courses. But then I realize "No, Peter, that's just what 268 yards ACTUALLY looks like" :)

"But the contours are still there -- and the slopes.  Along with the Grove Park Inn course, this course taught me the difference between slope and contour.  Based on my limited experience, a Ross mountain green will not have much contour, but will will have a ton of slope -- and good luck figuring which way.  The man was a master "confuser.""

I don't think I've ever read that, or certainly thought about it that way. I'll be looking for that from now on (on ANY green I play, and especially on a Ross green if I ever play one). Thanks

Peter  
« Last Edit: August 17, 2007, 01:15:25 AM by Peter Pallotta »

A.G._Crockett

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Mark,
These are great pictures, with great commentary to boot.  Thanks for taking the time to go, appreciate, and post.  I'm going to make it a point to get there and play; a course with chain link and neon signs both visible is back to my roots.

I'm sorry that there hasn't been more appreciation expressed or commentary given.  Posting on southern courses on this board is very, very frustrating.  Few of the regulars even bother to look at threads dealing with the South, I'm afraid, much less comment.  Their loss.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Ken Moum

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I'm sorry that there hasn't been more appreciation expressed or commentary given.  Posting on southern courses on this board is very, very frustrating.  Few of the regulars even bother to look at threads dealing with the South, I'm afraid, much less comment.  Their loss.

Take heart, some of us northerners are watching and very much appreciative of the effort.

Having just found out that Dr. Klein thinks Ross "didn't do anything" at my home course, I am heartened by how much some of the holes here resemble the ones I play several times a week.

Makes me want to go to the local newspaper's archives in search of the fabled story detailing DR's visit to Topeka.

Ken
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010