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JohnV

Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« on: July 03, 2007, 11:20:09 AM »
Yesterday I worked the International Final Qualifier for The Open Championship that was held at Oakland Hills.  As played by the pros, the stretch from 4 through 8 on the South course consists of 5 par 4s.  I can't recall seeing 5 par 4s in a row before and certainly never one where they are all so tough.

I know that 8-11 at Pebble is a pretty good stretch of 4, but can anyone come up with 5 in a rough that come close to the stretch that comes close to the ones at OH-South?

I was on holes 2-3-4 & 7 on the South course all day.  The course was setup very difficult with the rough up and the hole locations in tough spots.  Scores were not great, but there were more scores in 60s than there were at Oakmont.

One interesting score was JB Holmes' who supposedly bombed a drive on #16 and then spun three balls off the green into the pond on the way to a 10.  Then in the afternoon on the North course, he drove it to about 3 feet on the 319 yard 15th hole and made eagle.  He missed the cut with a 79-69.
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Ted Kramer

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2007, 11:23:57 AM »
9-12 at Bethpage Black is only 4 in a row, but that is a long,tough stretch. . .

-Ted
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JESII

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2007, 11:27:22 AM »
I have not been to Oakland Hills to compare, but #'s 8 through 12 at Huntingdon Valley are really strong holes...great variety of distances and directions and elevations...
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Mark Pearce

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2007, 11:51:58 AM »
The last 5 holes on the Blue Course at the Berkshire are par 4s and are a pretty good test of golf.
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David_Tepper

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2007, 11:55:48 AM »
#4, #5 & #6 at the OC Lake Course!
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JohnV

Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2007, 12:01:39 PM »
The lengths of the 5 holes at Oakland Hills are:

4- 446
5- 490
6- 387 (with, maybe, the toughest green of the 5)
7- 449
8- 491

8 is a par 5 from the member's tees, but the club's scorecard lists it as a 4 from the back tees.

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JESII

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2007, 12:04:45 PM »
Quote from: W.Vostinak on July 03, 2007, 11:33:48 AM
The end of WFW's back nine is as tough as any.  HVCC is cupcake by comparison. ;) ;)   I'll be able to compare to Oakland Hills late in the month. ;)

True...but can you produce a scorecard with #16 listed as a par 4?
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Dan Boerger

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2007, 12:12:02 PM »
#1 - #4 at Aronimink ... a very stern handshake as they say.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2007, 12:16:08 PM »
1,2,3,4,5 at portmarnock are pretty tough, 3 and 4 especially

hole 1 - 405 yards (estuary down the right hand side)
hole 2 - 411 yards (tough raised green)
hole 3 - 398 yards (very tight hole with tough dune all down the left and the estuary all down the right)
hole 4 - 475 yards (stroke index 1 - tough approach and green)
hole 5 - 442 yards (fully blind drive)
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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2007, 12:26:00 PM »
The stretch at Royal Troon from 9---13 is pretty darn tough.
Usually into the prevailing wind, this stretch is usaually considered the meat of the golf course.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2007, 12:28:44 PM »
I'm surprised no one has mentioned 8-10 at Pebble.
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Tom Huckaby

Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2007, 12:30:58 PM »
Quote from: Tommy Williamsen on July 03, 2007, 12:28:44 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned 8-10 at Pebble.

Tommy - read John V.'s initial post.
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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2007, 12:32:05 PM »
More on the stratch at Royal Troon...
#9...423 yards
# 10...438 yards
#11...488 yards
#12..431 yrads
#13...470 yards.........the meat indeed
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2007, 12:45:38 PM »
Quote from: Tom Huckaby on July 03, 2007, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Tommy Williamsen on July 03, 2007, 12:28:44 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned 8-10 at Pebble.

Tommy - read John V.'s initial post.
 ;)

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Paul_Turner

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2007, 01:25:07 PM »
Lytham with 6 in a row to finish.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2007, 01:37:38 PM »
Next year at Torrey Pines South:

#4, 490 along the cliff
#5, 460 with a sloping fairway
#6, 500 (?) with an unusual teeshot angle
#7, 470 (?) dogleg around the canyon


Inverness #14-17 probably aren't the very hardest, but they deserve a mention at least.
 
« Last Edit: July 03, 2007, 01:39:18 PM by Matt_Cohn »
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Michael Moore

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2007, 03:02:24 PM »
If we fudge Longmeadow number ten (485) into a par four, then 8,9,10,11,12 should be included in this conversation.
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Kevin Pallier

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2007, 08:43:34 PM »
I'm with MWP - Troon's 9-13 is a damn tough stretch of P4's.

In a southerly, I find 13-16 at NSWGC a tough group as well despite # 15 being downwind in such a breeze.
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Steve Lapper

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2007, 09:15:54 PM »
If we are fudging just a little, then 14-18 at  Merion East wins hands down. #17 might as well be a par 3.75-4.25, don't ya think? :o
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mark chalfant

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2007, 09:56:15 PM »
Seth Raynor's Morris  County in  New Jersey, numbers 7-10. #7 (452) has a dramatic approach into a bowled green. #9(430)  has a fabulous uphill approach to an   artistic  terraced green. 8th is a  lovely driving hole over a deep valley.
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Doug Braunsdorf

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2007, 10:17:47 PM »
I realize these are two three-hole groups, but 9-10-11 and 13-14-15 at Bethpage Red are very difficult.  All play a minimum of 400 yards, and, although basically flatter holes, have different shot requirements (draws and fades).  Not including the 8th hole in the first group, as it is a little easier par or birdie at 370-380, but, when the wind blows hard, it is a difficult green to hit.  
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mark chalfant

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2007, 10:31:43 PM »
8-11 at Harry Colt's  brilliant Toronto Golf Club are rich  in variety,topgraphy, and challenge
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2007, 02:35:19 AM »
I agree with Troon being tough to top. I also respect Paul Turner not to blow smoke but i have not played Lytham. Olympic, Champions and Spyglass all have long tough man sized pars 4's which test any golfer but I do not think any of them have 5 in a row.
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Adam Clayman

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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2007, 02:50:04 AM »
Wasn't it Palmetto in Aiken where Ben Hogan use to practice for the Masters? Sighting it for the strength of the Par 4's. I don't recall how consecutive.
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Re:Toughest stretch of consecutive par 4s
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2007, 03:05:07 AM »
Quote from: Michael Wharton-Palmer on July 03, 2007, 12:32:05 PM
More on the stratch at Royal Troon...
#9...423 yards
# 10...438 yards
#11...488 yards
#12..431 yrads
#13...470 yards.........the meat indeed

I don't know of a tougher sequence than this!  Smash mouth golf in the extreme with barely a hint of charm in the lot.  You flat belies can have the entire back 9 so far as I am concerned.

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