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Mike_Young

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Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« on: September 05, 2002, 09:13:14 AM »
Good article on trees in Golf Digest.
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JakaB

Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2002, 12:14:44 PM »
Mike,

Thanks for respecting the hard working people who publish and distribute the magazine by not posting the article on this site without written permission.  Hopefully more people will follow your lead in the future by ignoring the cut and paste bandits that push the envelope of ethics.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2002, 12:20:21 PM »
JakaB,

The article to which Mike refers is not available online (yet), so he couldn't if he wanted to.

Many people who do post the text of articles also post the author and source magazine, thus giving credit where it's due.  

And providing a link to the magazine's actual site of an article certainly is not plagiarizing.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2002, 12:35:07 PM »
Scott --

Links to articles are great. I can't imagine any publication's objecting to the posting of links.

Synopses of articles are fine.

Cutting-and-pasting is a different matter. It's not about giving proper credit; it's about depriving the publication's Web site of "hits." And hits are the lifeblood of commercial Web sites.

JakaB has it right there.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2002, 12:53:49 PM »
Point taken.

At least I always post the links!  8)
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WilliamWang

Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2002, 12:54:03 PM »
linking is not okay with some web sites.  if i remember correctly, aren't there a couple bloggers who are involved in litigation regarding deep links which go around the web site and content owners front page?

as for quoting, what about the fair use provisions of copyright law?  text copied and posted on this site is usually not for commercial gain or commercial distribution.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2002, 01:01:06 PM »
William Wang --

Don't know about the first.

As for "fair use" (etc.): I'm not a lawyer, so I can't answer. I don't think we need a lawyer, though, to tell us that the question under discussion here is not whether someone could win a lawsuit against us if we copy/pasted their stuff, but whether copy/pasting someone else's copyrighted material is the RIGHT thing to do.
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WilliamWang

Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2002, 01:09:49 PM »
as for questions of RIGHT, i'll leave that up to others.  but, the distinctions between copying/pasting articles from web sites versus say typing out from scratch a passage from a newspaper, magazine or book are, to say the least, trivial IMO for the purposes of GolfClubAtlas.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2002, 01:32:11 PM »
William Wang --

You can't leave to others the question of what's right and wrong!

Well -- to paraphrase a former president of ours -- you can do it, but it's, well, not right.

You're comparing apples and oranges when you talk about copy/pasting "articles," wholesale, and copy/pasting "passages," for use in writing of your own. The second is certainly fair use; the first is, at least arguably (commonsensically, if not legally), theft.

I agree with you to this extent: It's not the biggest deal in all the world. BUT! Seeing as how, by definition, everyone here is online and can conveniently use links to get to the sites of the copyright owners, we should use links whenever we can (as opposed to copy/pasting whole articles) when the material we want others to look at is copyrighted.


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Mike_Young

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Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2002, 02:04:04 PM »
Hey guys....what about the article???
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ChipOat

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Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2002, 02:07:05 PM »
I MUST get a copy and see what they say, in particular, about stupid trees.

Trees on a golf course are, at best, unnecessary.
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Paul Richards

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Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2002, 02:09:30 PM »
Mike:

I went to the GD website and tried to pull up the article.

However, all that I could get was this:

>Mission: Unpopular: Led by Oakmont, many of America's
>best-known courses are cutting down trees to improve
>playing conditions. Is your course overtreed? By Peter
>McCleery
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brad miller

Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2002, 10:19:52 AM »
read the article, could do a lot for the game, maybe GW,SN and Golf Mag can follow up, nothing that hasn't been talked about here on GCA, but this is Golf Digest, hopefully many a Green Committee head will find his/her way to reading and pondering this topic. Had a listing of GD list of top 25 (US) courses and what they have done with trees, from memory only 2-3 are ADDING, but this list is all "WET" IMHO, Golf Mag's and the combo of GW's are much better representations of the best golf in America, but haven't we been there and done that before.
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Dunlop_White

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Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2002, 12:14:53 PM »
Brad,

As you are aware, I am very interested in the tree removal efforts which continue to take place at many of our venerable classic designs throughout our country. Therefore, I have been dying to read it. I can only locate the Sept. issue though.

Do you know of the columnist?

Also, since trees are controversial, I cannot wait to see the angle and/or the position which GD was willing to take on this issue.


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Paul Richards

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Re: Golf Digest Oct on Trees???
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2002, 02:07:58 PM »
Dunlop:

See my post just above Brad's above.  It has the author's name listed there.
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