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Greg Holland

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Rick Shefchik

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2007, 11:47:38 PM »
From the article:

“I don’t want to stir up more controversy by rating newer courses—including my own,” he adds. “But I am sorry that people can’t find the book just to read and use it as it was originally intended, as an opinionated travel guide. I’m also surprised that no one else has tried to publish a similar book.”

Not so surprising, really. The expenses involved in an undertaking like that would intimidate anyone, including Matt Ward. I'm just one in a long line of writers who would love to undertake a project like that, but aside from my questionable credentials as a critic, I'd go broke after doing four or five courses in California.

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JMorgan

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 04:18:56 AM »
Speaking of which, has anyone seen Dan King?  He offered to lend me an extra comp copy.  

Matt_Ward

Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2007, 09:19:17 AM »
Rick S:

The difficulty with any such project is the currency of the information. As soon as one completes a given area it's possible any number of things can be outdated -- courses do make internal changes, turf conditions can improve / suffer and the competition can make vast improvements on their product.

Confidential Guide is such an interesting book because it is so frank and clearly has its own distinct voice.

The sad reality is that too many publications today are not prepared to handle the kind of "truth" such a book provides.

Ron Farris

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2007, 10:47:38 AM »
Should I feel guilty or am I guilty by association?

Andrew Mitchell

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2007, 11:00:54 AM »
Should I feel guilty or am I guilty by association?


Ron
To those of us who would love to own just one copy, and who are prepared to pay a premium but not ebay prices, yes you should feel guilty :(
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JMorgan

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 11:06:27 AM »
Should I feel guilty or am I guilty by association?


Feel guilty.  Feel verrrrrrrrrrry guilty, Ron.  Unless, of course, you want to let me borrow a copy....[Insert ingratiating emoticon here.]

George Pazin

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2007, 11:11:14 AM »
Man, I've given several copies to friends as gifts - didn't know how generous I was! :)

Rick - and Tom, obviously -

Fazio has a book out called Golf Travel By Design, in which he highlights the better golf courses in destination areas. Also, there are the many rankings and listings books that kind of serve the same purpose. What makes Tom's book unique is his combination of knowledge and candor.
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John Kavanaugh

Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2007, 11:14:25 AM »
You guys need to start hording Geoff Shackelford's History of Riviera....The only copy on Amazon is currently going for $224.50.
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Michael Moore

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 11:27:19 AM »
Now every d*ckh**d Joe will buy up any stray copies ASAP, no chance for anyone even remotely interested in architecture to get that rare copy.

Come on now, Doctor. People don't read this book to learn about architecture, they read it to find out if Doak blew up a course they are familiar with and whether he used a clever turn of the phrase in doing so.
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Adam Clayman

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 01:35:50 PM »
Dr. Bill- I think you over estimate the influence of one article placed on the web.

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Kalen Braley

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 01:58:35 PM »
I just looked on Amazon...it appears you can pick one up for the bargain price of $600....thats down a bit from 4 figures  ;D

Mark Bourgeois

Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2007, 04:23:53 PM »
The "rating" comment is curious. I use it as a travel guide, and sometimes as an armchair travel guide. The text is the helpful bit.

But why is the book in such demand? Please no lectures on supply and demand -- why are people willing to pay such a premium? I can see a markup owing to its unique status as a global travel guide / trip planner -- if there's something comparable in quality and breadth, I have yet to find it -- but something else is going on here.

Is it this milquetoast "controversy" people keep bringing up?
Is it simply the collector mentality? (Insert argument that scarcity is its own value.)
Is it the ratings?

What?

Garland Bayley

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2007, 04:31:06 PM »
Should I feel guilty or am I guilty by association?


So what was the occasion that you were at Tom's house taking pictures of his book cases?
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Kalen Braley

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2007, 04:44:49 PM »
The "rating" comment is curious. I use it as a travel guide, and sometimes as an armchair travel guide. The text is the helpful bit.

But why is the book in such demand? Please no lectures on supply and demand -- why are people willing to pay such a premium? I can see a markup owing to its unique status as a global travel guide / trip planner -- if there's something comparable in quality and breadth, I have yet to find it -- but something else is going on here.

Is it this milquetoast "controversy" people keep bringing up?
Is it simply the collector mentality? (Insert argument that scarcity is its own value.)
Is it the ratings?

What?

There are a few things at play here I think, and please correct me if I'm wrong on any of the details.

1)  The original book was not intended for mass production, but perhaps only for a handful of friends and associates.  This adds a bit to the mystique factor, and the title helps with this as well.

2)  The book doesn't have an equal that I'm aware of in terms of how many courses are reviewed combined with the "honesty" of the comments made.  I for one want to puke when I read those "infomercial, flowerey, so called reviews" of golf courses.  I suspect many others feel the same.

3)  It did have limited printing, 12,000 copies i believe. I don't know how that stacks up against other books in its category, whether thats many or few.

4)  Tom has only written 1 other book, and co-wrote another one, although Wikipedia credits The Making of Pacific Dunes.  There is a scarcity in what he has put out and I think people respect his vast background on the subject and are interested in his thoughts on the subject.

With the current prices, I think there is a collector component to this as well. As to supply and demand, don't beleive for a second that if 10,000 more books were printed and hit the market that the price would stay where it is now.  Supply and Demand is at play.

My two cents.
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PThomas

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2007, 04:48:31 PM »
Supply and Demand is at play.


really , that is  the only reason..Mark pointed out some/all? of the reasons why demand is high

if Tom wasn't as famous as he is now, would the book be commanding such prices?  no

I bet the book wasn't so expensive 5 years ago
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Mark Bourgeois

Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2007, 04:58:30 PM »
It's like being famous for being famous, isn't it?

astavrides

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2007, 06:52:39 PM »

Fazio has a book out called Golf Travel By Design, in which he highlights the better golf courses in destination areas. Also, there are the many rankings and listings books that kind of serve the same purpose. What makes Tom's book unique is his combination of knowledge and candor.

Perhaps you have convoluted two books.  Fazio's book is called Golf Course Designs and I don't think it rates or talks about courses in the way Doak's does.

There is also a book called 'Golf Travel by Design' by the edtiors of the Golf Insider [whoever they are], with foreward by Greg Norman [I have heard of him].  It's a good book.

Ron Farris

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2007, 06:58:17 PM »
I sincerely apologize for posting that picture.  Isn't it wonderful what PhotoShop can do now days :D

Another, interesting story about the guide.  I was quite fortunate to actually use the confidential guide, or a portion of it, just as Tom had intended - aTRAVEL GUIDE- but prior to ever recieving the book(s) itself.  Tom faxed me a brief portion of it prior to my first trip to Scotland and Ireland.  This was in 1989 and it came from a fax machine at Dye Designs.  As with faxes back then it is starting to fade.  I better get it under glass as it is one of my prized possessions.

Steve Okula

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2007, 08:30:16 AM »

Fazio has a book out called Golf Travel By Design, in which he highlights the better golf courses in destination areas. Also, there are the many rankings and listings books that kind of serve the same purpose. What makes Tom's book unique is his combination of knowledge and candor.

Perhaps you have convoluted two books.  Fazio's book is called Golf Course Designs and I don't think it rates or talks about courses in the way Doak's does.

There is also a book called 'Golf Travel by Design' by the edtiors of the Golf Insider [whoever they are], with foreward by Greg Norman [I have heard of him].  It's a good book.

Then there's "Golf by Design" by RT Jones Jr.
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ed_getka

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Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2007, 07:06:07 PM »
Kalen,
   A few things to note. The original was not a book, but just copies for friends. The book that goes for $1,000 or so is the limited edition that doesn't have pictures and was limited to 1,000 copies. I have read that this edition has slightly more frank commentary than the trade edition, but I have never done a side by side comparison. The original apparently has very frank commentary, but I have never seen it.

I think the most valuable part of the book to me is the scale that Tom came up with that gives me a framework with which to compare courses to some extent. Also the Gourmet's Choice was an interesting idea I had not seen before that.
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Joe Bentham

Re:Interesting article about the Confidential Guide by Brian Hewitt
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2007, 01:56:27 PM »
As a proud owner of a personalized copy of the original, I can say that I appreciate the information inside more then the fact that the book is worth 1000 dollars.....Tom's opinions (and it just one guys opinion, albeit an educated one) coupled with the fact that he is actually an accomplished architect makes for an interesting read...its funny to talk to members from some of the clubs he gave less then a glowing reveiw