SEBONACK ON DVD ?

[Patrick_Mucci_Jr]

In addition to the wonderful book about the making of Sebonack, a DVD has been created to tell the story.

It's a terrific DVD, very informative and enjoyable to watch.
Mike Pascucci has a good sense of humor.

While the DVD is a little thin on picturing the golf course, it's my understanding that if there's a revised version of the DVD, it will contain more views of the golf course.

[Scott Szabo]

Patrick,

Is this available to the general public?  If so, where can I obtain a copy?

Scott

[John Kavanaugh]

What's next...Glueing an copy to an add in the Robb Report.  I really don't understand why a course that was supposed to be by invitation only would lend itself to such gimmicktry.  Is all this based on marketing or egoism.  It clearly separates the club from its neighbors.

[George Pazin]

Sometimes documenting things is neither marketing nor egoism, simply prudent and thoughtful.

[John_Cullum]

....  Is all this based on marketing or egoism.  

"A little thin on picturing the golf course."

I think the answer lies therein

[Steve Curry]

John,

The day will come soon that books are obsolete, no?

Steve

[John Kavanaugh]

John,

The day will come soon that books are obsolete, no?

Steve

Just like above ground golf courses.

[Adam Clayman]

Scott, I have a copy and would let you borrow it.

The focus on this dvd was about the collaboration which was very interesting.

Michael and Jack both seemed to have alot of fun with it. Tom signing Jack's club was very cool.

I was glad our own Mark Hissey got his say in there too.

[Gene Greco]

Sometimes documenting things is neither marketing nor egoism, simply prudent and thoughtful.

Well said, George.

I have a copy and view it as more of a chronicle with respect to the history of the property, genesis and evolution of the golf club.

I believe it to be very well done and particularly enjoyed the extra section of fairly lengthy interviews with Brad Klein, Ron Whitten, Tom, Jack, Mark and Mr. Pascucci.

 

[Patrick_Mucci_Jr]

What's next...Glueing an copy to an add in the Robb Report.  I really don't understand why a course that was supposed to be by invitation only would lend itself to such gimmicktry.  Is all this based on marketing or egoism.  It clearly separates the club from its neighbors.

JakaB,

Don't you think that you should see the DVD before commenting on its content, quality and merit ?

[Geoffrey Childs]

I just finished the book last week.  Its a really nice read with a lot of local history to go along with the trials and tribulations required to build the golf course.

[John Kavanaugh]

What's next...Glueing an copy to an add in the Robb Report.  I really don't understand why a course that was supposed to be by invitation only would lend itself to such gimmicktry.  Is all this based on marketing or egoism.  It clearly separates the club from its neighbors.

JakaB,

Don't you think that you should see the DVD before commenting on its content, quality and merit ?

Since this relates to golf, electronic equipment and modern American culture I see no more reason to view this DVD then to use a Skycaddie.  I do not object to the content or the book...I simply see the use of the DVD medium as more grease on the slippery slope where the game that I once loved resides.

[Eric Franzen]

I finally had time to watch the whole DVD yesterday. It is a good addition to the book and came across as a good way to document the creation of the course and the club.

The main documentary is about 45 minutes and mainly consists of interview's with Doak, Nicholaus and Pascucci (and key people in their respective organization), mixed with snippets from founding members, journalists, pro's (Ernie Els and Ian Baker Finch).

It will for sure be a valid source of information for potential future research about the course.

[Steve Curry]

After watching the interview with Tom, (aka infomercial?)  I would very much enjoy to see and hear many more architect interviews anent their courses and philosophies!

Cheers,
Steve

[Eric Franzen]

I would very much enjoy to see and hear many more architect interviews anent their courses and philosophies!

http://www.cbiapprove.com/clients/trumpnational/trump2_300k.html

Always happy to please!

[John Kavanaugh]

I would very much enjoy to see and hear many more architect interviews anent their courses and philosophies!

http://www.cbiapprove.com/clients/trumpnational/trump2_300k.html

Always happy to please!

Boom goes the dynamite.  Let's just play golf and lock these things in a time capsule if they must be made.  Is there any chance of getting a copy of the mailing list for the Sebonack DVD?

[Steve Curry]

Eric,

Thanks for that, ask and you shall receive.  

Now my desire to get to Bedminster is confirmed as is my sincere admiration of Tom Doak's philosophy.

Great work.

Cheers,
Steve

[Patrick_Mucci_Jr]

What's next...Glueing an copy to an add in the Robb Report.  I really don't understand why a course that was supposed to be by invitation only would lend itself to such gimmicktry.  Is all this based on marketing or egoism.  It clearly separates the club from its neighbors.

JakaB,

Don't you think that you should see the DVD before commenting on its content, quality and merit ?

Since this relates to golf, electronic equipment and modern American culture I see no more reason to view this DVD then to use a Skycaddie.  I do not object to the content or the book...I simply see the use of the DVD medium as more grease on the slippery slope where the game that I once loved resides.

JakaB,

So, if "Scotland's Gift" were on DVD you'd view that as bad for golf ?

Before being critical of the DVD and YOUR interpretation of its intent, you should view it.

By chance, I ran into Mike Pascucci yesterday and we discussed the DVD and the reason for its production.  It's a great record of how the golf course came into existance.[/color]

[John Kavanaugh]

Patrick,

The same argument is made by owners of Skycaddies that believe you can never have too much information no matter how you get it.  If the majority of golf writers or critics who play Sebonack view this DVD before their round then yes it is bad for golf.  We are golfers here not surgeons...we could use a little controlled chaos without knowing why everyting is in its place.

Like I said above, lock the DVD in a time capsule as I am sure it will be a valuable resource 20 years down the road.

[Patrick_Mucci_Jr]

Patrick,

The same argument is made by owners of Skycaddies that believe you can never have too much information no matter how you get it.  

Do you really think there's a difference between a yardage marker on a sprinkler head, a schematic of the hole with yardage and a sky caddy ?

If the majority of golf writers or critics who play Sebonack view this DVD before their round then yes it is bad for golf.  

Why ?
You don't even know what's on the DVD, so how can you be so sure it's bad for golf ?

We are golfers here not surgeons...we could use a little controlled chaos without knowing why everyting is in its place.

Why do you make the ASSUMPTION that the DVD reveals everything about the play of the golf course.

An ASSUMPTION that couldn't be more [size=8x]WRONG[/size]

Like I said above, lock the DVD in a time capsule as I am sure it will be a valuable resource 20 years down the road.

[John Kavanaugh]

 

Do you really think there's a difference between a yardage marker on a sprinkler head, a schematic of the hole with yardage and a sky caddy ?

Yes...I would not object to Skycaddies if they only provide yardage at + or - 20 yd intervals like most sprinkler heads.  It is the exact yardage from any spot that annoys me.  Having a guy actually measure something reminds me a bit of having someone read something.  Would you pay the same tuition for your children if every class was pod cast and the books were thrown out the window?


 

Why ?
You don't even know what's on the DVD, so how can you be so sure it's bad for golf ?

I didn't finish watching the Fazio/Trump DVD either so maybe that is good for golf too.  I could be wrong.



Why do you make the ASSUMPTION that the DVD reveals everything about the play of the golf course.

An ASSUMPTION that couldn't be more [size=8x]WRONG[/size]

Let's assume this DVD is for the architecture buff...Don't you think it would be more fun and educational to play Sebonack the first time without being told what to expect or like.  This reminds me of learning about a girls sexual history in the lockeroom before taking her on a date.

Like I said above, lock the DVD in a time capsule as I am sure it will be a valuable resource 20 years down the road.

[John Kavanaugh]

As guests entered the cocktail tent, they couldn’t help but notice the orange lights glowing on the bar, while classic sounds of the keyboard filled the room. Over 100 silent auction items were on display and included items from David Yurman, Ralph Lauren, Alvin Alley Dance Theatre, Kevin Maple Salon, a three night stay at the HRH Resort’s Hampton Baby Beach Club, a shopping outing with style guru Barbara Sussberg, Michael Perez’ hand painted designer jeans, hand-crafted outdoor garden fountain designed in Bali, Indonesia courtesy of The Furniture Garden, and a 27” Panasonic color television with VCR and DVD courtesy of Sebonack Golf Club.

A link: http://www.hamptons.com/detail.ihtml?id=462&apid=751&sid=6&cid=53&arc=1

[Joe Hancock]

JK,

I don't have a horse in this race, but damn that's funny.....

Pass the scallops....

Joe

[Patrick_Mucci_Jr]

Do you really think there's a difference between a yardage marker on a sprinkler head, a schematic of the hole with yardage and a sky caddy ?

Yes...I would not object to Skycaddies if they only provide yardage at + or - 20 yd intervals like most sprinkler heads.  It is the exact yardage from any spot that annoys me.  Having a guy actually measure something reminds me a bit of having someone read something.  

So, you don't pace off the yardage from the sprinkler head to your ball ?  ?  ?[/color]

Would you pay the same tuition for your children if every class was pod cast and the books were thrown out the window?

That's a poor and flawed analogy.[/color]


Why ?
You don't even know what's on the DVD, so how can you be so sure it's bad for golf ?

I didn't finish watching the Fazio/Trump DVD either so maybe that is good for golf too.  I could be wrong.

The question had NOTHING to do with Trump/Fazio, don't try to divert and/or deflect the issue.

How can you be so sure that this DVD is bad for golf ?[/color]


Why do you make the ASSUMPTION that the DVD reveals everything about the play of the golf course.

An ASSUMPTION that couldn't be more [size=8x]WRONG[/size]

Let's assume this DVD is for the architecture buff...

IT'S NOT.
You continue to make false assumptions.
That's why your conclusions are flawed.[/color]

Don't you think it would be more fun and educational to play Sebonack the first time without being told what to expect or like.  

Why do you ASSUME that you're told that ?
YOU'RE NOT.
You continue to make wild guesses and flawed conclussions without knowing what you're talking about.
WHY don't you view the video first, before making all of your erroneous assumptions ?[/color]

This reminds me of learning about a girls sexual history in the lockeroom before taking her on a date.

You just don't get it.

But, that doesn't mean that:

Candy is dandy, but,
Liquor is quicker.

Isn't valuable advice.[/color]

Like I said above, lock the DVD in a time capsule as I am sure it will be a valuable resource 20 years down the road.

Do yourself a favor, view the video before making any comment relative to its content and worth.[/color]

[John Kavanaugh]

I will be happy to view the video and report a honest and better informed opinion.  My address is:

John Kavanaugh
P.O Box 551
Lawrenceville, IL 62439