[Garland Bayley]

New posts to this old thread begin at #15.

Is there any interesting pair of courses sitting side by side that would allow  a major to be contested on 9 from one and 9 from the other?

In particular, I am thinking about a thorough examination meaning handling a greater variety of styles and situations. I.e., is there a C & C sitting next to a Pete Dye? Would that pairing give the greatest variety in styles and situations? Obviously there is a Doak/Nicklaus setting next to a Flynn at Sebonack/Shinnecock, but I don't think anyone would feel it was necessary to supplement Shinnecock to hold a major.

[Patrick_Mucci_Jr]

Garland,

TCC and Congressional tried this configuration as did Ridgewood (NJ)

I would imagine that only resort or residential community courses would have multiple designers, but, I'm sure that some could put forth examples of others.

I've always disliked composite courses.  Perhaps it's in the context of continuity and then again, maybe it's due to their artificial nature..

In a related context, isn't a golf course like ANGC the ultimate in the context of composite courses for Majors ?

[wsmorrison]

Garland,

There is a rather mediocre outdated course in between Sebonack and Shinnecock called National Golf Links of America  

Winged Foot East and West seem to intertwine although I don't know if a composite would be worthwhile.

Although I have never been to Australia, clearly many find the composite course at Royal Melbourne to be a worthy combination of West and East.

[Garland Bayley]

Garland,

There is a rather mediocre outdated course in between Sebonack and Shinnecock called National Golf Links of America  

Winged Foot East and West seem to intertwine although I don't know if a composite would be worthwhile.

Although I have never been to Australia, clearly many find the composite course at Royal Melbourne to be a worthy combination of West and East.

My bad. I though Sebonack was between NGLA and Shinnecock. I thought of Winged Foot, and the composite at Royal Melbourne is well known as is the composite at TCC.

However, I was looking for something that would give a contrast in styles, which Tillinghast at WF and MacKenzie at RM wouldn't do.

How about the US Open @ Santa Fe (or close by) featuring 1/2 Doak and 1/2 Spann at Black Mesa?  

[wsmorrison]

Oh, sorry Garland.  I see what you mean now.  Maybe Philadelphia Cricket with a Tillinghast and Hurdzan/Fry?

[Garland Bayley]

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In a related context, isn't a golf course like ANGC the ultimate in the context of composite courses for Majors ?

Had half the holes been left wide and strategic, and half been narrowed and made demanding, I might agree. However, it is my impression that the whole course has pretty much been narrowed and made demanding from the tournament tees.

[Garland Bayley]

Oh, sorry Garland.  I see what you mean now.  Maybe Philadelphia Cricket with a Tillinghast and Hurdzan/Fry?

Unfortunately I don't know much about these courses. I suspect a composite wouldn't form a mix such as Dye (demanding specific shots) and C&C (offering shot options) would.

[Jim Sweeney]

I can think of two:

Dayton, Ohio area-NCR South (Wilson- broad shouldered, wide corridors, large greens) and Morraine CC (Alec Campbell- narrow, small greens, tree lined, rather short).

Pittsburgh metro- Pittsburgh Field Club (I don't know the archtitect offhand- small, round greens) and the Raynor course adjacent to it that I cannot recall the name at the moment.

[Patrick_Mucci_Jr]

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In a related context, isn't a golf course like ANGC the ultimate in the context of composite courses for Majors ?

Had half the holes been left wide and strategic, and half been narrowed and made demanding, I might agree.

However, it is my impression that the whole course has pretty much been narrowed and made demanding from the tournament tees.

That's not true.

Many holes have NOT been narrowed.

[Mark Bourgeois]

Patrick, do you ever feel like you're playing an online version of Whack-A-Mole?

One of these days you're going to miss one of those "pop-up" ANGC tree comments!

Sorry, it's late...

[Jeff Doerr]

Garland,

In Portland the obvious would be The Reserve with one 9 from the Fought and one from the Cupp course. One nine with bunkers, one without...

Of course they did the funky one hole composite with an ending of 5, 5, 4, 5 at the Jeld-Wen Tradition.

I also remember hearing some years ago the Pumpkin Ridge entertained the idea with the USGA of doing a public/private composite. As I recall it was the front nine at Ghost, 10, 11, 12, then six holes at Witch - maybe 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. That back nine course would be REALLY LONG and tough with converted par 5s on 10 and 4.

[Garland Bayley]

I can think of two:

Dayton, Ohio area-NCR South (Wilson- broad shouldered, wide corridors, large greens) and Morraine CC (Alec Campbell- narrow, small greens, tree lined, rather short).

Pittsburgh metro- Pittsburgh Field Club (I don't know the archtitect offhand- small, round greens) and the Raynor course adjacent to it that I cannot recall the name at the moment.

Are these courses long enough to host the tour? Are they close enough that it would not be too much a burden to walk off 9 of one onto a 9 of the other. As someone suggested above, I suspected the best place to find this would be a resort, so I am surprised that seperate clubs came up as an answer.

The Ohio one sounds particularly interesting.

[Jim Sweeney]

Garland,

I cannot answer your questions. I can only say that these are all quality courses that are adjacent to one another and have very different styles. I really cannot even guess at the logistical aspects of doing what you suggest.

Of the four course I brought up, I'm sure NCR is the only one that would even listen to a proposal such as yours.

The US Mid Amateur was contested at NCR North and South a few years ago and teh North, which is quite different from the South, held up very well, and has since been renovated, A composite course is very do-able, though it would have to be nine from one and nine from another.

[noonan]

Garland,

I cannot answer your questions. I can only say that these are all quality courses that are adjacent to one another and have very different styles. I really cannot even guess at the logistical aspects of doing what you suggest.

Of the four course I brought up, I'm sure NCR is the only one that would even listen to a proposal such as yours.

The US Mid Amateur was contested at NCR North and South a few years ago and teh North, which is quite different from the South, held up very well, and has since been renovated, A composite course is very do-able, though it would have to be nine from one and nine from another.

The tee off of #3 on NCR South course borders the 5th or 6th green on Moraine.

The South course is close to 7K yards but Allen Doyle popped 63 the final round to win the Senior Open 2 years ago.

It is possible.....just not probable.

[noonan]

They just stretched the north course in the last year or 2 I believe.

[Garland Bayley]

I posted this on the Erin Hills thread. It came about as an idea generated from this old thread.

I wish I knew more about the courses, but French Lick would seem like a location that would be better suited to identify the best golfers.
Prepare the Dye course tight, and the Ross course wide.

Day 1 Players play either 1-9 Dye and 1-9 Ross or 10-18 Dye and 10-18 Ross
Day 2 switches
Day 3 play 1-9 Dye and 1-9 Ross
Day 4 play 10-18 Dye and 10-18 Ross

Dye is the Open Doctor for the Dye course
C&C or Doak or similar is the Open Doctor for the Ross course.

Hopefully finishing on the wider course could promote Masters style excitement on the final nine. Mike Davis has been suggesting Chambers Bay will play to different par on alternate days. This is a little like a big extension on that idea.

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