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Sean_A

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Change is Afoot at Woking
« on: February 13, 2007, 07:34:47 PM »
Had the pleasure to play Woking for the first time in perhaps 15 years today.  The course has held up fairly well to the barrage of frost, snow and rain, but I can't help thinking it should be draining better than it does.  I think this is what the club has in mind as well.  There is a clearing out process in gear right now.  Nearly the entire front nine is finished.  I expect it will take a few more years to complete the back nine and continue the program of heath re-generation.  The club is also slowly re-doing bunkers.  It looks like they are trying to get heather faces/banks on some, reshape some for better drainage and make some more gathering type bunkers.  Lastly, the course will be extended about 200 yards for a total from the tips of ~6550.  Apparently, Ebert (sp?) of the old Steel firm is a member and is lending a guiding hand.  

I could hardly recognize the difference in open-ness.  It hits you on the first tee where you can see down to the 4th through the trees.  Its quite something!  I also didn't remember how wonderful some of the greens are.  In the summer Woking would be a lot of fun.  The only drawback I can think of is the length.  It is rare for me to applaud the lengthening of a course, but Woking has the space to do so and it needs it.  Too many holes are driver-wedge.  Mind you, in the summer, even though there is a fair amount of room, banging a driver about may get one into trouble here and there.  

2nd hole - probably the best par 3 on the course.  


The 3rd, a medium length par 4 with a cool fronting bunker.  The green plays perfectly to the bunker because it feed all down to the front right.


4th, in the winter wet its a bit of a nothing hole really.  It needs f&f to make the angles count.


A closer look at #4 - this is one of the holes that has been lengthened.  


#5 - notice how clear it is under the trees and up the hill behind the green.


Thinking back now, the par 3s are probably the strong the suit of Woking.  I like them all - here is the 7th.


The 8th is one of the better par 4s on the course.  I liked the uphill approach - this hole reminded me of Swinley.


Approach to #8, the bunkers to the right of the green are lovely.  They are connected by a ridge.


The approach to #9.  The old reverse dogleg rears its ugly head again!  This is a sharp legger left around tall trees.  No matter the tee, its a layup drive then a wood home.  Not my cup of tea.


Short 10th.  Apparently the green was starting to subside on the left so the left bunkers were filled in.  I hope they take the trees out on the right.


The 11th also reminded me of Swinley.  It looks like you want to fade off the tee, but there is a load of room out to the left.  However, that leaves a downhill lie to an uphill green, on the right of the fairway is a wee shelf which offers a level lie.  Clever hole.


Approach to the 12th.  This is a great green - it caught me out for a 3 putt from 15 feet.  Everything sort of funnels down toward the bunkers, but there are two pimples to mess with the golfer who hits it too deep.


The 13th looks a bit dull, but it calls for a well placed drive as this may be the narrowest fairway on the course.  There is nothing to be gained by carrying the bunker - red herring - stay right.


A good drive leaves you 215ish into the short par 5, 14th.


Many people will approach from around this area.  Woking has a lovely clubhouse.  Its very traditional without being stuffy or fussy.


The unusual 18th.  Not too many heathland courses use water this way.  This is a fun hole because its driveable in the summer, but very dangerous!


Woking is a lovely day out.  I don't think it is quite the test that its near neighbours are, but it has bags of charm.  Because the greens are that much more interesting than Worplesdon's (and despite Worp having holes like #s 12 & 17 which are better than anything Woking has) I would give the slight edge in preference to Woking: 6 on the SRA Scale.

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« Last Edit: February 13, 2007, 07:45:29 PM by Sean Arble »
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David Stamm

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Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2007, 07:38:03 PM »
Thanks for the pics Sean. Woking is definitely a place I have wanted to visit when I finally cross the pond.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2007, 08:02:59 PM »
Sean, I need to get to Woking the next time I get to England.  I like the looks because it appears to have a lot of bunkers.  :)
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Mark_F

Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2007, 08:40:43 PM »
Sean,

Woking looks to be a very understated course.

Why is it not up in Beau Desert territory for you, since that is how I would also describe BD.

Have you played Ashridge?

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 06:35:33 AM »
Sean, When you go to Notts you might want to poke your nose in at Coxmoor and Sherwood Forest as well - Sherwood Forest has a very strong back 9 - long enough even for you!  There's also a heathland 9-holer at Charnwood Forest, which I mentioned in another thread the other day.  It had slipped my mind but I remember it fondly.  I think Lindrick also does a winter rate.

Paul_Turner

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Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 06:49:25 AM »
Woking's greens are definitely better than Beau Desert's.   Woking wins with unusual rolls and ridges on greens like:  3,5,11,13,14,15,18  More naturally constructed and complex than BD's.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2007, 06:52:48 AM by Paul_Turner »
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Mark Pearce

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Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2007, 07:08:14 AM »
Sean,

Do you prefer BerkshireRed to the Blue?  I know that seems to be the accepted wisdom but I admit that, given the choice of one or the other I'd play the Blue more than the Red.  If you do prefer the Red, can you explain why?

Mark
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 06:37:59 PM »
Sean (I hope I've mastered this IM stuff) nice report, thank you for not mentioning how hard you kicked my arse.   As I've never seen a more interesting set of greens than Woking's I must take you up soon on the chance to see BD's  soon.
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Tony
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 07:10:10 PM »
6. Woking wins hands down in the clubhouse stakes.  Its a wonderful place to hang out.  BD's is not, which is a pity.  

Sean, you didn't get the full flavor of the Beau Desert clubhouse because you didn't arrive in the dark of night like we did, thought we were locked out overnight until the steward arrived and saved us!  You know the gent.

We sat around in the bar until well after midnight drinking his whisky and listening to his far-fetched stories ( including the Barcelona brothel fiasco  :o ).  If you had experienced that great evening with Mark Bourgeois, Craig Disher and my son David and me, you would have a much higher opinion of the BD clubhouse - architecture notwithstanding!

You want architecture?  How about that Delamere Forest gem?

Bill_McBride

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Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 10:17:51 PM »
BTW Get yourself a TOM TOM for the next UK visit.  I think Tony M is gonna break down and get two!

I give up.  What the hell is a "TOM TOM?"  ??? ??? ::)

James Bennett

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Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2007, 12:08:11 AM »
Bill

a 'sky caddy' for the car.  GPS navigation system.  Tom tom is a brand.

I wish I had one when I was in Philadelphia/New York last year.  All those roads and interstates look alike!  Especially if you are travelling without a pretty navigator.

James B
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Mark_F

Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2007, 03:35:09 AM »
GPS navigation system.  

I wish I had one when I was in Philadelphia/New York last year.  All those roads and interstates look alike!  Especially if you are travelling without a pretty navigator.

James B

Adelaide must be very well signposted then James.

In all my travels through the USA I have always found it easier to navigate the roads and highway system than I do in Melbourne, which must be the most poorly signed metropolis in the world.

LA to San Fran - one road.

Seattle to chicago - one road.

Can't beat that.

James Bennett

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Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2007, 04:48:03 AM »
Mark

there is more than one road from New York to Philadelphia.  I know!  My wife knows.  So does her mum.

And driving from one suburb to another in Philadelphia is pretty tricky too.

Of course, driving most of the time on a grid based road network, I am probably easily confused.  You drive in Melbourne, which is a greater challenge.  Now, if only I spent more time driving in Sydney, I could probably deal with the east coast roads.  Although I'd probably have less hair (LOL)

James B
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RT

Re:Change is Afoot at Woking
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2007, 09:00:29 AM »
Sean,

Was that large Oak front left of no. 2 green present?  Your photo suggests it might be gone depending on viewing area?

What has happened behind no. 1 green in terms of the trees and underbrush?

RT