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Mark Chaplin

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St.Andrews #7 named
« on: January 12, 2007, 02:00:53 PM »
After a naming competition which attracted more than 4000 entries from around the world the name of the new St Andrews Links course is the Castle Course.

The name reflects the history of the headland to the south-east of St Andrews where Kinkell Castle once stood in the middle ages.

The winner of the naming competition who suggested the Castle Course is Edwin Burtnett from America.

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Jeff_Mingay

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2007, 02:02:34 PM »
Thanks for this, Mark.

Not bad. Though I suspect a lot of people will continue to refer to the course as no. 7.
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PThomas

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2007, 02:07:41 PM »
i like it!
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Ulrich Mayring

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2007, 08:30:19 PM »
Yawn. How many castle courses are already out there?

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Forrest Richardson

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2007, 01:04:31 PM »
My entry was OLD TOM. Now I will save that for another project.
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Ulrich Mayring

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2007, 01:36:27 PM »
What?! Four Opens in five years and no love for Young Tom? :)

You should call your project the Morris and put this up at the entrance:



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Forrest Richardson

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2007, 02:03:31 PM »
Young Tom has a ring, but not to the harmony of Old Tom. However, your suggestion will be considered.
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Mark Chaplin

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2007, 02:21:43 PM »
Old Tom and Young Tom have a ring but unfortunately prostitutes are also known as "toms" in the UK so that maybe a reason for excluding them.............before you ask I'm well read!!

The Castle Course is a bit bland and has nothing of St.Andrews, Fife or Scotland about it. Kinkell hit the spot with me.
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Joe Bentham

Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2007, 02:23:58 PM »
Quote from: Mark Chaplin on January 13, 2007, 02:21:43 PM
The Castle Course is a bit bland and has nothing of St.Andrews, Fife or Scotland about it. Kinkell hit the spot with me.
Nothing to do with St. Andrews?  I guess the fact that there was once a Castle on the site of the course is lost on you.....
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Mark Chaplin

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2007, 02:41:48 PM »
Joe - There are 100s of castles in the UK in fact there's a big one a mile from my house called Tonbridge Castle. Even St.Andrews has a castle and it's not the one the course is named after but one in the middle of the city.

Sorry it's nothing original and too bland for me.....that's not to say I will not being teeing up there when I get the chance.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2007, 03:10:21 PM »
I am sorry, Mark. Certainly I meant "Old Tom" as in prostitute...were you thinking that I meant "Old Tom" as in Morris?
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Marty Bonnar

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2007, 07:22:19 PM »
The 'Castle'.
The 'Castle'?
I ask you.
Whitaloadaepish...

Those Links Trust boys surpass themselves yet again.

FBD.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2007, 09:29:26 AM »
Quote from: Ulrich Mayring on January 13, 2007, 01:36:27 PM
What?! Four Opens in five years and no love for Young Tom? :)

You should call your project the Morris and put this up at the entrance:



Ulrich

all this talk of the "toms of st andrews" had me thinking... old tom moved off to prestwick in the 1850's (i think)... how long did he stay there? was young tom not born and bred there?... i wonder what he considered himself?... i bet it was "young tom fae prestwick" back in the day
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Adam Clayman

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2007, 10:32:06 AM »
I submitted "The Tyre course". It has such a regional onamotopoeia.

I did look for some old Scottish names that occupied the region back when they needed castles. I found a few "T" names but none with the flair of Ty-reee.
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Norbert P

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2007, 04:32:22 PM »
  I wonder what the townfolk of Lahinch are thinking of this choice.  Will they garnish royalties?

Personally, methinks a name should be more site specific for an area of such storied and proud history than just an improper noun like 'castle'  It really needs a proper noun to make it proper.   (Perhaps a Yogi Berra-ism?)
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Ulrich Mayring

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2007, 07:31:21 PM »
The Morrises were St Andrews men through and through. It's true that Old Tom left for Prestwick after a fallout with Allan Robertson over the (then) new Guttapercha ball. But he returned a few years later and became Custodian of the Links in St Andrews for the rest of his life. The rivalry in these times was not with Prestwick anyway, it was with Musselburgh, especially the Dunns.

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Kirk Gill

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2007, 11:32:17 AM »
I  must note that I also proposed the winning name, admittedly in jest:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=27355;start=0

I do think that it was likely named with the tourist in mind. For an American, anything that qualifies as a castle still seems mysterious, ancient, and lofty. We don't have them laying about all over the place as you do in the Old World.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re:St.Andrews #7 named
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2007, 12:09:16 PM »
Gee, i am amazed they didn't call it 'The Links at St.Andrews'. ;D
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