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Tim Gavrich

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Carthage Club still on track?
« on: December 15, 2006, 01:29:23 AM »
I was most intrigued after reading the review (well, description) of the Carthage Club.  Is this project still going forward?  It seems like the epitome of minimalism and a golfing purist haven.
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Jason Blasberg

Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2006, 06:41:51 AM »
Last I heard Sid Finch was given the nod to do the routing . . .

Mike_Sweeney

Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2006, 07:28:59 AM »
http://www.cabotlinks.com/

I believe it is now located in Canada.

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2006, 08:19:16 AM »
Mike beat me to it!

The Carthage Club is now called Cabot Links, located a thousand kms or so north of Southern Pines  :)
« Last Edit: December 15, 2006, 08:20:49 AM by Jeff_Mingay »
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Tim Gavrich

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2006, 08:48:17 AM »
Very cool--will it be as unassuming as the Carthage Club?  That is to say, private, no tee times, etc?  I see that CL will be ~7,000 yards as opposed to CC's proposed 6,200.  I also note that pars have been established at CL.  A change of heart on the part of the owners over the past few years, or a new site providing for a longer course?  Has a formal layout/master plan been established?

I had no idea that Nova Scotia was such a geographical marvel in terms of water temperature.  Very cool (er--warm--as it were)...
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2006, 08:54:41 AM »
Tim,

Cabot Links will be public-access... so, you'll have to make a tee time! Sorry.

Rod Whitman and I have done a few routing plans for the course, along with Ben Dewar and Ran Morrissett, who are the principal developers.

In regard to yardage, par, sequence of holes, etc., we're not that far along yet in the development of the course to have definites. With our methodology, that sorta stuff evolves throughout course construction.

Hopefully Ben will pop in to provide more details.
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Dan Kelly

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2006, 09:41:31 AM »
Tim,

Cabot Links will be public-access... so, you'll have to make a tee time! Sorry.

Rod Whitman and I have done a few routing plans for the course, along with Ben Dewar and Ran Morrissett, who are the principal developers.

In regard to yardage, par, sequence of holes, etc., we're not that far along yet in the development of the course to have definites. With our methodology, that sorta stuff evolves throughout course construction.

Hopefully Ben will pop in to provide more details.

Very exciting.

The Web site, I guess, is a bit ahead of the game? (Oh, well, I suppose that, too, is de rigueur.)

"After an era of modernist designs, classic golf is once again de rigeur, and no Canadian designer embraces the classic principles of golf course architecture like Rod Whitman. Whitman’s design ethos is respectful of the setting, and desirous of working with the land to create the best golf course. Cabot Links will be just such a layout, playing to just under 7,000 yards and a par of 71 over a rugged site between the Gulf of St. Lawrence and the town of Inverness, Nova Scotia. The terrain is varied and dramatic in the tradition of the game’s great seaside golf courses in the UK and Ireland, and architect Rod Whitman has devised a routing plan that takes advantage of the landscape’s most exciting properties. No hole will play the same way twice, and the conditions of the day will dictate strategy.

"Cabot Links will be golf in its purest form, a classic take on the game."

Let us all hope that that last 'graph, at least, remains unchanged.
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Nick Church

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2006, 09:52:29 AM »
Congrats, Mr. Morrissett.

I guess I'll have an excuse to visit the eastern coast of Canada soon.

Mike Benham

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2006, 11:39:31 AM »
Any chance of a private boad dock?
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2006, 11:45:34 AM »
Mike,

There's a fishing harbour adjacent to the golf course site. You can dock there!

Or simply run the boat onto the beach!
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brad_miller

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2006, 11:57:05 AM »
Jeff, will there be views from the tee similar to the 14th at Semiole and the 9th at Maidstone?

Brad Tufts

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2006, 11:58:01 AM »
I saw the article about the Louisburg Faldo course, and when hearing one of the principals speak about getting European flights into Sydney, NS, I had one question...

Why don't they start flying there direct from Boston??

The two locations are only 500-600 miles apart, and currently you cannot get to Sydney from here (on Air Canada at least) unless you stop in Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, or Halifax first....

So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

John_Conley

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2006, 12:53:22 PM »
Neat project.  Congratulations to Ran and all involved.

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2006, 01:01:31 PM »
Brad Miller:  

There are ocean views from all eighteen holes at Cabot Links. However, overall, it's not as dunesy as the 9th at Maidstone. In other words, there are dunes along the beach. But no hole at Cabot will actually play through dunes.

Brad Tufts:

I'm pretty sure there are direct flights from Boston to Halifax. You can get to the Cabot Links site by car from Halifax in about 2-2.5 hours. Something like that. It's not very far.

In fact, Cabot Links will be much easier to get to from more major metropolitan centres than Bandon Dunes, for example.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2006, 01:03:12 PM by Jeff_Mingay »
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Gary Slatter

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2006, 01:03:06 PM »
we flew Boston to Halifax directly, nice drive from there to Cape Breton.  Pilgrims to the Highlands Course will be able to play Cabot Links and Bell Bay and possibly Louisburg in 2008 or 9!  
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2006, 01:05:27 PM »
Gary's right. Highlands Links, Cabot Links, Bell Bay and the Faldo course proposed for Louisbourg will make for an interesting golf excursion in the near future.
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RJ_Daley

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2006, 01:18:27 PM »
What month span is the realistic golf season there?
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Brad Tufts

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2006, 01:50:51 PM »
After I posted, I looked at BOS-HAL flights out of curiosity and they are better, and cheaper (although not very at $422 minimum currently).

The trip mentioned above is exactly what I have in mind when the courses are all finished, maybe even with a run up to Crowbush.  Although if CL is ready before Faldo's, i just might have to go up twice.  :)

I'm threatening to show up for the opening of GCA G.C. (North Course)....Rustic being GCAGC South....
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Jason Blasberg

Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2006, 01:56:17 PM »
What month span is the realistic golf season there?

When we were at Crowbush a regular there said they play solidly from mid-May - early Oct.  

BTW,

Are there no Mets fans out there?  

Tim Gavrich

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2006, 04:26:41 PM »
Jason:
If you are referring to the New York Metropolitans, I am certainly a fan.
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Robert Thompson

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2006, 04:57:45 PM »
Yes, indeed -- the season is about mid-April to mid-October. Our American neighbours never fail to surprise me by thinking we are in igloos by the end of July. Cape Breton isn't particularly north -- but then again neither are most of the inhabited parts of Canada. The season is about the same as upper state New York and better than parts of Northern Michigan, for sure.

Having had the chance to walk around the site, I can say it is quite stunning, akin to a Scottish links like Nairn (without the inland holes). I've written about it here:

http://www.scoregolf.com/articles/xx-column-robert-thompson/Canadas-next-great-golf-course.cfm
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2006, 05:11:42 PM »
Robert, with water temps at 70 degrees F, doesn't Inverness NS have the potential to be playable year around so long as it isn't snowing??  :o 8)

brad_miller

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2006, 05:13:13 PM »
Jeff, I have been to the property, I was just having some fun with the question. No one seems to have gotten it though, I am sure TEP would understand.

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2006, 06:27:44 PM »
Right over my head, brad  ;)
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Robert Thompson

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Re:Carthage Club still on track?
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2006, 08:47:05 PM »
Robert, with water temps at 70 degrees F, doesn't Inverness NS have the potential to be playable year around so long as it isn't snowing??  :o 8)

In fact, I played this week in Toronto -- so while it is likely that like most northern clubs, Cabot Links will be closed from November to mid-April, it isn't unheard of to play later.
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