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Seth Berliner

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The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« on: September 18, 2006, 06:04:34 PM »
These are some pictures of a new Jay Moorish design just southwest of Denver, Colorado.  The pictures were taken about a month ago.  Everything was sodded except for tees and greens and is scheduled to open in the spring.

The course will play as a par 71 with 5 par 3's.  Roughly 7250 yards from the back tees.

#2 Fairway


#4 Green


#5 Green


#7 from #17 Fairway


#17 Fairway

Tim Pitner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2006, 06:17:52 PM »
Seth,

I live in Denver.  Where exactly is the course?  Morrison area?

Seth Berliner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2006, 06:29:23 PM »
Seth,

I live in Denver.  Where exactly is the course?  Morrison area?

It is just south of Chatfield Reservoir in Waterton Canyon.  Right next to the South Platte River.

Evan_Green

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2006, 06:47:20 PM »
That picture of #4 is pretty neat looking right up next to the mountain.

Brad Swanson

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2006, 07:15:26 PM »
Hmm, this course is pretty close to Deer Creek I presume then?  I get a little nostalgic about golf in the Mile High City around this time of year.  I loved the ability to play with the courses to yourself on a Broncos gameday during (arguably) the best season of the year.  I am a little surprised that courses are continuing to be built at a consistetly brisk pace in the Denver area.

Cheers,
Brad

Seth Berliner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2006, 08:26:07 PM »
Hmm, this course is pretty close to Deer Creek I presume then?  I get a little nostalgic about golf in the Mile High City around this time of year.  I loved the ability to play with the courses to yourself on a Broncos gameday during (arguably) the best season of the year.  I am a little surprised that courses are continuing to be built at a consistetly brisk pace in the Denver area.

Cheers,
Brad

The golf course is only a couple of miles south and a little east of Deer Creek.  Very true about golf on Sunday's in Colorado.  If the Broncos are playing, the golf courses are typically deserted.

Doug Wright

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2006, 10:57:44 PM »
Seth,

I believe this is Jay's swan song, correct?
Is this public or private (housing tract, I believe,
but I could be wrong).

Jay had the deed to Colorado Golf Club,
even had a routing and design (which I saw
a few years back), but it ended up as Coore
& Crenshaw. Not sure how that happened,
maybe someone else on here does.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2006, 10:59:22 PM by Doug Wright »
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Seth Berliner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2006, 11:16:56 PM »
Seth,

I believe this is Jay's swan song, correct?
Is this public or private (housing tract, I believe,
but I could be wrong).

Jay had the deed to Colorado Golf Club,
even had a routing and design (which I saw
a few years back), but it ended up as Coore
& Crenshaw. Not sure how that happened,
maybe someone else on here does.

Doug,

According to Moorish, this is his last project. Ravenna is a private golf community with 243 homesites that will all have Tuscan style architecture.  There are also 180 non-resident members of the club.

Not sure about Moorish having the deed on Colorado Golf Club.  Maybe someone else can chime in?

Seth Berliner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2006, 11:47:41 AM »
Here are a couple more photos of the golf course.

Hole #3



Hole #7 from tee



#9 Green


Jim Nugent

Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2007, 12:13:18 AM »
Number 3 looks pretty cool.  What is the hole like in the background, that winds its way up the hill/mountain?  

Matt_Cohn

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2007, 12:48:39 AM »
7,250, hate to say it, seems very short for a new course in Denver.

I know that not everyplace is Ballyneal, but being in the same state, this looks like a pretty amazing contrast to Doak's effort there.

Seth Berliner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2007, 10:33:56 AM »
Number 3 looks pretty cool.  What is the hole like in the background, that winds its way up the hill/mountain?  

The hole you see behind #3 is the 356 yard #4.  A good little par 4 that is a tough second shot.  A fairway wood will leave a wedge to a narrow green with quite a bit of undulation.  A neat little hole.

Here is a picture from behind the green.


Seth Berliner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2007, 10:40:14 AM »
7,250, hate to say it, seems very short for a new course in Denver.

I know that not everyplace is Ballyneal, but being in the same state, this looks like a pretty amazing contrast to Doak's effort there.

The course will not play as long at altitude but will surely be a good test from all the way back.  The greens have a lot of movement to them so iron play will be at a premium.  

I think we have a course that will turn some heads in 2007!

Jeff Doerr

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2007, 10:59:05 AM »
Thanks Seth.

I really like the movement you can see on #4 from the diagonal ridge that comes off the hill.
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Seth Berliner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2007, 11:06:53 AM »
Thanks Seth.

I really like the movement you can see on #4 from the diagonal ridge that comes off the hill.

Jeff,

It is a pretty diabolical green.  Where the hole is located in the picture will require a very good shot. Probably the most difficult hole location on this green. A shot that lands past pin high will funnel to the left center of the green.

Seth

Tim Pitner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2007, 11:54:44 AM »

I know that not everyplace is Ballyneal, but being in the same state, this looks like a pretty amazing contrast to Doak's effort there.

Matt,

There isn't any land near Denver that approximates what exists at Ballyneal in eastern Colorado.  You really can't compare the two courses on those terms.  I'm as big of an admirer of Doak's work as any, but he was blessed with some great land at Ballyneal.  


Seth Berliner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2007, 12:25:02 PM »
Tim,

Very true statement as the land that we have at Ravenna is far different than that at Ballyneal.  I couldn't have enjoyed my time at Ballyneal more and the golf course speaks for itself but comparing the two based on land alone is a tough task.

As for Ravenna, I think we have a great piece of land and a spectacular course to go along with it.

Seth

John Kavanaugh

Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2007, 12:34:27 PM »
Seth,

Congrats on landing at what looks like a great course.  I see in your profile that you will be offering free lessons to members.  I have never heard of such a perk...Is this something you know of that other private clubs do.  I think it is great.

Seth Berliner

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2007, 12:59:27 PM »
John,

I feel very lucky to be associated with this project and am excited to get the golf course open this spring.  I have been at some unbelievable clubs and I think we are on the right track here at Ravenna.

As for the free lessons it was something I did last year for my members as a perk.  If I continued this in '07 I don't think I would be seeing much of my wife and upcoming newborn!

Seth

Kirk Gill

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2007, 04:06:02 PM »
I had the opportunity to play the Ravenna course on Monday (the club hosted a charity event to support the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, a very good cause). The course had only been officially open for a couple of weeks, but that fact wasn't too evident out on the golf course.

The course is built right up against the foothills south and west of Denver, and in fact sits between the foothills and what is called the "hogback," which are rocky ridges jutting out of the ground just short of where the mountains begin. You can see one of the hogback ridges in Seth's photo of the seventh green, above. For those familiar with Arrowhead, this course is just a bit north of that course and development.

I mention where the course was built, since it had to have a lot to do with how the course was designed and constructed. The ground was not all ideal for golf. Some holes hug the mountainside, while others require crossing deep crevasses. It would have been MOST interesting to walk the property during the routing phase, to see the choices and the decisions involved.

Our shotgun start had us begin on the 7th hole, which turned out to be one of my favorites on the course. A short par 4, it intimidates at first, as the drive must cross a deep crevasse. As you can see from Seth's photo, the fairway curves around an expanse of trees and rocks, but what isn't as apparent from the picture is a tongue of fairway that extends straight from the green towards the tee, inviting a heroic go. The par-five 14th was also a favorite of mine, a downhill par five with a nicely rumpled, rolling fairway with a good-sized pond in front of the green. My decent drive and anemic second left me too far away to risk going for the green, but a well-bunkered layup area to the left gave me something worth shooting for.

Lots to list on the positive side – a good mix of long and short par 4’s; three of the par threes are downhill (the sixteenth is a deep dropshot par three with a surrounding bowl somewhat reminiscent of Jim Engh) while 11 is fairly long and uphill; lots of movement in the greens – it would take a number of plays to really know which parts of each one to truly avoid, given each days pin placement – and I wish I could remember which green has an almost Biarritz-like deep swale in the middle……it was great fun chipping from short of the green and watching my shot roll, disappear, and then roll up onto the back. I appreciated the large scale of the place, and while the course could likely not be considered minimalistic, an effort has certainly been made to meld the course with the overall landscape, including what appeared to me to be planting of fairway grasses in the native areas adjacent to the fairways. As that grows in, it will enhance the connection between the two areas. And for those who relish such things (I must list myself amongst you), it is just a beautiful, peaceful location. The reddish stone that peppers the course and makes up the majority of the hogback is formed into beautiful, interesting shapes, and the scale of the place is very grand.

My only complaints would be that in my opinion the course is not really walkable - you must cross the hogback twice over some rather steep cart paths, so only the most intrepid walkers would give it a go. The course also struck me as a little narrow, given that there’s basically fairways, a bit of rough, and then the natural grasses, arroyos, crevasses, etc. Your driver had better not be too errant, or you might lose a golf ball or three.

I enjoyed my round very much, and am interested in the opinions of others on the forum as they have the opportunity to play the course.
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Doug Wright

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2007, 06:37:49 PM »
My only complaints would be that in my opinion the course is not really walkable - you must cross the hogback twice over some rather steep cart paths, so only the most intrepid walkers would give it a go. The course also struck me as a little narrow, given that there’s basically fairways, a bit of rough, and then the natural grasses, arroyos, crevasses, etc. Your driver had better not be too errant, or you might lose a golf ball or three.

Kirk,

Thanks for the report on Ravenna. It does sound like a fairly tough site. From your description of the minuses above, the course sounds more like some I've played in Arizona, eg Gold Canyon/Dinosaur Mountain, than other courses here in Colorado.

Look forward to seeing it sometime...
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Andy Troeger

Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2007, 09:41:15 PM »
Seth, (or others)
Will there be any housing on the course eventually? It seems like so many of the courses in the Denver area are residential, it would be refreshing to have one without them (or maybe another, since to my knowledge Colorado GC does not have many homesites (if any?)

Looks pretty cool, interesting comparison to Dinosaur Mountain, that's a fun course to play as well.

Peter Zarlengo

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2007, 11:40:09 PM »
Andy-
Colorado GC does have a housing componant with the golf course. There are 200 some homes being developed with the course on some gigantic lot sizes (minimum size I think was one acre and went up to 12). The houses will only front the course on hole 1 and the short course. The rest are on the perimeter of the site.

Ravenna looks like a great piece of property in a very diverse area of the metro area. Morrish aslo did a course in the southeast Denver area (Blackstone I think) that I believe just opened. Would be interesting to see how these courses compare on two probably very different site, done in a similar time period.

Kirk Gill

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Re:The Golf Club @ Ravenna-New Jay Moorish PICS
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2007, 11:23:40 AM »
Andy - there is definitely a housing component to the Ravenna course and development. They have a map on their website ( http://www.ravennagolf.com ). For now, it has yet to be built for the most part. Generally speaking, I'm not totally against housing on a course (it pays the bills, yes?), I just get depressed by  the feeling of playing in a canyon walled with McMansions. I suppose if the architecture is compelling enough, the housing element becomes less important.
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Andy Troeger

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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2007, 02:38:16 PM »
Peter,
That's about what I had heard I think about CGC. Housing around the perimeter of a course to me is very different from the both sides of the fairway look that is a bit too prevalent sometimes.

Kirk,
Looked at the map and development. It looked like Ravenna generally avoided having homes on BOTH sides of each hole so that at least is a plus. If they are set back far enough from the course then hopefully it wouldn't take that much away from the golf.

I could see it being somewhat similar to the housing at Pradera, where its definitely there but for the most part not too intrusive. Hopefully it avoids the fate of most of the front at Ridge at Castle Pines North where the homes seem to be EVERYWHERE! Thankfully the back nine there was much better IMO.

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