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paul cowley

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Curves of Charm and 'coffin' corridors...
« on: August 27, 2006, 10:26:55 AM »
...I seem to remember posting here about my 'curves of charm' theorem, which, when simplistically described, are  strategic playing curves that are used to play diagram a golf hole from tee to green, in a less linear fashion than using centerlines alone.... and also help set up the holes strategic structure from tee to green....fairways, hazards and the like.
This system really makes golf design so rewarding that many times after conceiving a hole using this method, I am satisfied enough to stop right there...without even having to build the hole itself! [unfortunately my fiancee throws me her own curve about family finances etc ::)]

...anyway, after identifitying the major curve types [the 'C', the 'J', the 'S' and all their sub types and combinations...it became apparent that in certain combinations the field was becoming too confining, 'coffin like', and in an attempt to further define and free the corridors, I found that it was beneficial to assign widths to the curves when in combination with each other...along with halve widths for hazards and rough.
 This seems to work well with the more modest curves but, when employing some of the more complex combinations, there are times when I find that the width of the hole can almost equal its length!....I am beginning to think that many similarities in concept exist at TOC, and that I ought to consult with Rihc about doing a C of C chart to confirm this. Maybe Old Tom had a few curves up his sleeve ;).

Anyway, I just wanted to check and see if others out there had similar results or experiences......or just wanted to chat about these kind of things!
 :)
« Last Edit: August 27, 2006, 10:29:35 AM by paul cowley »
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

ForkaB

Re:Curves of Charm and 'coffin' corridors...
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2006, 10:52:45 AM »
paul

I have always felt that the "lines" of charm construct was a gross oversimplification which essentially ignores the fact that there are contours on golf courses in 3-dimensions.

I'd love to do some CofC work with you, but Dornoch would be easier for me do than TOC as I know the curves there much better.  The third dimension is also much more influential at Dornoch for full shots, although not much more for those near and around the greens.  Of course, using the technology available to me I could do either.

Let me know what interests you.

Rich

paul cowley

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Re:Curves of Charm and 'coffin' corridors...
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2006, 07:43:06 PM »
Rihc....although my morning mood and post was a little playful in nature [probably in reaction to some here that can be a little serious], the reality of doing forensic C of C study is compelling  and something I hadn't considered as I am usually more adrift contemplating the future....not so much the past. [well golf anyway]....and in our case something that probably could be best diagrammed over a stack of sturdy napkins of the kind found in proximity to a turf fire....and from there we could go higher tech ;).
Sometime soon I be coming your way and I be coming to play [if we may?].
« Last Edit: August 27, 2006, 07:55:55 PM by paul cowley »
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

JESII

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Re:Curves of Charm and 'coffin' corridors...
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2006, 09:26:58 PM »
paul,

Does this concept need a fixed end point and starting point before you would go through with the C of C experiment? In other words, is this a designing up process after the green and tee locations have been selected?


paul cowley

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Re:Curves of Charm and 'coffin' corridors...
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2006, 10:06:06 PM »
JES....why that depends.
They are  very viable as a conceptual tool [or for routing a first pass on a dead flat course in Kansas], but as you start to discover site details that you want to work with, or as you start to fill in the voids based on certain site givens, why it then almost starts to draw itself [which was when I first began to notice and pay attention].
They are also useful after fixed points have been established as a way to initiate and refine strategies that are then checked on a curvilinear basis, not on the typical line and angle effect...when used properly they give feedback against bad flow without deleting quirk....in fact they help identify it.
....and as Rihc has helped indicate, they might even be able to help check and / or provide new guidelines for evaluating and renovating courses from the past..... with the added benefit of no calories and very few carbs to boot!
« Last Edit: August 27, 2006, 10:08:19 PM by paul cowley »
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

ForkaB

Re:Curves of Charm and 'coffin' corridors...
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2006, 01:37:47 AM »
Rihc....although my morning mood and post was a little playful in nature [probably in reaction to some here that can be a little serious], the reality of doing forensic C of C study is compelling  and something I hadn't considered as I am usually more adrift contemplating the future....not so much the past. [well golf anyway]....and in our case something that probably could be best diagrammed over a stack of sturdy napkins of the kind found in proximity to a turf fire....and from there we could go higher tech ;).
Sometime soon I be coming your way and I be coming to play [if we may?].


paul

If you be coming, I be ready to play.  I would just ask that you bring your own supply of cocktail napkins, as they are in short supply in Scotland.

Let me know.

Rich