Jerry Pate and his design team, led by Steve Dana, deserve more respect in current GCA. Limestone Springs north of Birmingham, Old Colony in Tuscaloosa, Kiva Dunes and Steelwood in South Alabama, all are solid courses with good strategic holes and interesting greens. They have done an excellent job reorganizing the old but soggy Pensacola Country Club -- flat on the bayfront -- into a strong layout with excellent drainage and challenging holes. I don't know anything about Shadow Isle, but your comments reflect what's on the ground in the South.