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Nick Pozaric

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2006, 06:15:56 PM »
I was just passing on what I was told and checking for others experiences.  
« Last Edit: July 15, 2006, 08:39:08 PM by Nick Pozaric »

Steve Lapper

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2006, 07:09:24 PM »
Sounds like spoiled little Lousivillians didn't like playing/staying with the common man (read: riff-raff). :'( :'(

I've been out there 3X and never found anything worth griping about. The smiles on each of the course's 18th greens erased any (if there ever was?) shortcomings!

Tell them all to just wait for their little JN redo to bring the cognescenti back so they can feel important again. ::)
« Last Edit: July 15, 2006, 07:09:52 PM by Steve Lapper »
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Craig Sweet

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2006, 07:11:59 PM »
Nick...my theory is they are lying...like saying "you definately don't want to move to Montana! The winters are way, way too long!"


Gene Greco

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2006, 09:09:24 PM »
After a mediocre massage from a talkative 45 year old woman...

Gene,

Why fly across the country when most of us can get that at home?  ;)

Mike:

    That's why I went there in the first place! :)
"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

Nick Pozaric

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2006, 09:15:41 PM »
Nick...my theory is they are lying...like saying "you definately don't want to move to Montana! The winters are way, way too long!"


You go to Montana because you expect certain things.  Like if you go to Bandon Dunes which is a world class resort you expect certain things.  Sorry I dint see him today or another member of the group to get their opinions to get any of the particulars.  Also why would they lie about it?  I was just trying to get some other views from people who have been there and  I did so I accomplished what I set out to do with this thread.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2006, 09:20:26 PM by Nick Pozaric »

Wayne Freeman

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2006, 01:01:22 AM »
I've been there twice now and have found pretty much the same things that are mentioned above. The staff is very nice and the food is very good if not great.  It's certainly not the premier golfing destination in terms of ambiance or accommodations. In fact, for what they provide in terms of rooms, I think it is very overpriced.  We went with a foursome over Open week and our pretty plain room was about $280 a night.  The 4 person suite we stayed in the first time- 4 small bedrooms with a common room was going for $1200 a night-  absolutely outrageous in my book.  Doesn't anyone else think that they are soaking you for the rooms?

rjsimper

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2006, 01:09:47 AM »
They have a drying room in the basement of the main lodge.

Then in that case, I too will complain about the service because we returned to the lodge/bag check room after 7 SOAKED holes on trails, completely sopping wet, and asked about where we could dry our clothes.  The guys in there informed us that they had the only dryer accessible for guests, and that it was currently full.

Pretty odd...

Re: the food and the customer service at large, I found the food to be below what I expected, though still tasty...it's comfort food, so it's going to stick to your ribs

The customer service was always very friendly, though our room key cards had an odd habit of demagnetizing (happened at LEAST 4 times) - fortunately, we were in the dune suite in the lodge so we would just run down the one flight of stairs and ask for another one.

I would say....Legendary Golf, but merely good service/foood.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2006, 11:47:22 AM by Ryan Simper »

Tiger_Bernhardt

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2006, 10:44:57 AM »
Nick, It is a world class set of golf courses and not a world class resort. It is a good solid resort. No one on here is going to tell you how plush everything is. I love the place and place a premium on service wherever I go. I still stay at Casa Palmero but do not play Pebble anymore. I love the resort but the golf is not up to speed.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2006, 12:31:30 PM by Tiger_Bernhardt »

Walt Cutshall

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2006, 11:03:47 AM »
In my visit to BD, the non-golf side of things was generally pretty good. Service was mostly great, but there were a couple of exceptions. I think this was mostly due to a couple people who just needed a little more training. For example, at breakfast one morning, my buddy and I were shoehorned into a tiny table next to the kitchen entrance. We asked if we might be seated near one of the windows. The (young) hostess told us no, because they needed to hold those tables for parties of 4. Besides us, there were 8 people in that restautant, which I'm guessing seats 200 people. It was no more crowded when we left. We imposed our will upon the hostess, promising to move to a smaller table if the room filled up.

We also got scolded a couple times for really, really silly things. My friend got admonished for allowing his practice chip shots to fly onto the green while we were practicing from the bump-and-run "stalls" at the practice facility. I get scholded for taking practice swings about 40 yards away from the first tee ("We don't want to see and divots over there"). You know, dumb stuff. But by and large, the folks there were great.

BD is offers world class golf, but I wouldn't call it a world class resort. That connotes a level of service and amenities that just isn't there. I would describe the food as hearty, and the accommodations as a cut above utilitarian. I, too, found the condos a little on the dark side and short of space to dry clothing. But IMO, this is pretty minor stuff, and we are already planning our next trip back.

BTW, this thread should be titled "...freakin FANTASTIC golf, but bad..."  ;)

Lyman Gallup

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2006, 11:50:06 AM »
I think there is a distinction between "world class resort" and "world class golf destination."  To me, Bandon Dunes clearly in the latter category and it appears that was the way it was intended to be.  I've found the rooms clean and the food quite edible and the portions generous.  They aren't trying to be a five star hotel or restaurant--I dont' believe world class resort is their objective.  BD is all about the golf experience.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2006, 12:13:51 PM »
Nick,
I know this isn't your fault because your just asking, but the saddest point of all to this thread is that it puts a negative on all of those guys up at Bandon who go out of their way to accomdate everyone.

It actually disses them big time.

I would suggest that if they didn't like the experience then they simply don't belong there. I don't knw where the thread is, and I'm not going to go looking for it, but I once did one on Shoe, and if there as ever a guy up at Bandon that didn't epitomize the entire mindset of the place, well then I quit. No one is ever going to be happy.

Everytime I've been at Bandon Dunes, the staff was always seemed to be one step ahead of me--especially when I had to complain about my roomate at Archipalooza, who was not only loud, but was also a slob leaving clothes all over the room. I can't remember the full name, but his last name was... or I think it was something like D-E-V-R-I-E-S, or something like that. I hated that guy. He had the heat up in the room to like 110 too, and after having one or two Volcanoes, try sleeping in the same room with a guy that has some gastro-intestinal thing going on in that kind of heat!  

Any staff member that could handle that guy could handle anybody! They should have given me a medal or having to put up with that for one weekend!

« Last Edit: July 16, 2006, 12:16:07 PM by Tommy Naccarato »

Geoffrey Childs

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2006, 12:30:22 PM »
Tommy

I've got to disagree with you buddy.  I think this is a great forum to air people's views on both the golf and the service at the resort.  

I for one would like to know about the dryers or lack thereof at the facility.  Perhaps at those room rates each suite should have an individual dryer.  They are not that expensive.  If the food is not what some may wish for on a trip then let them know aobut it.  Maybe they will choose to stay off the grounds and eat in town.  Maybe some smart businessman will offer an upscale motel/hotel with a five star restaurant in town if the resort will not offer that service.

As mentioned, a stay at Bandon Dunes in NOT inexpensive.  People should know what to expect.  If the resort does not get feedback then how can they be expected to improve.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2006, 12:31:20 PM by Geoffrey Childs »

Tiger_Bernhardt

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2006, 12:35:30 PM »
I will go on record as gentlemen like Shoe are the best in the hospitality business. He has been there since day one, remembers peoples names and is on top of his game/job with a great attitude all the time. I think it is remarkable how good the service is given the location and lack of really experience people in the hospitality business located in the area.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2006, 01:05:08 PM »
Dr. Geoffrey,
I'm talking about service.

This is the first time I have ever heard anyone complain about the service at Bandon Dunes. I think it's a slap in the face of some pretty genuine people. I think Mike Keiser would agree.

I know how genuine they are because I have been experiencing those personalities on the Oregon coast since I was a little kid. I know how the people are. They love the life they have on the coast and aren't afraid to show outsiders what it's all about.

I have my aunt right here, right now--a former 34 year resident of the State of Oregon and she is agreeing with me. How on earth could you ever argue with that!

(and what on earth would you need a hair dryer for?) ;)
« Last Edit: July 16, 2006, 01:06:39 PM by Tommy Naccarato »

rjsimper

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2006, 01:09:15 PM »
Clothes dryers, Tommy-san...clothes dryers.  :)
« Last Edit: July 16, 2006, 01:09:29 PM by Ryan Simper »

Geoffrey Childs

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2006, 01:16:19 PM »
Tommy-san

As our good friend says - Without constructive criticism how can one know how to improve?

I would hope that as a good businessman Mike Keiser would agree.

These are not my complaints but I do remember a good deal of wet clothing from my trip and I also can not for the life of me recall a single meal that I ate all those days.

There are levels of service that people either want during a stay or expect for their money and that is part of the choice for vacations.  Sorry but true information and opinions can do no harm and I don't see that as a slap in the face to anyone.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2006, 01:37:31 PM »
My mistake!

Pack heavier next time!

Or, better yet, leave the clothes and the golf shoes next to the fireplace. (Or would you rather call room service and have them do that for you?) You've got to remember that your dealing with someone that doesn't have to experience golf in the rain! :)

As far as the food at Bandon, well, I think the Volcano is bigger and better then Mount Hood, which I think is the most beautiful mountain in the world. It's comfort food.

Also the steak wasn't too bad either, but I'll stump yo on this one: It's a billion times better then friggin' haggis (No thanks!) and beef burgers that taste like they were made from 2 year old scraps from McDonalds.

Yes, I'll take the Volcano anyday over that!
« Last Edit: July 16, 2006, 01:38:03 PM by Tommy Naccarato »

Dan Herrmann

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2006, 06:48:17 PM »
There's a nice laundromat at the Bandon Shopping Center - pretty close to the Subway   ;)

Paul Richards

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2006, 07:59:42 PM »
Gene

>I thought everything was terrific with only one curiosity.

>After a mediocre massage from a talkative 45 year old woman

Actually, if you are referring to who I think you are, she's 54 and a hippie throwback from the '60's.

I had a massage from her on each of my trips (coincidence).  She's an absolute hoot!  And it wouldn't shock me to find out that she would be in the men's locker room with 4 naked guys, just shooting the breeze!

Too funny.

 ;)
« Last Edit: July 16, 2006, 08:00:22 PM by Paul Richards »
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Lloyd_Cole

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2006, 12:13:53 AM »
No doubt the golf is the selling point there, and I had very few complaints with that on my visit. What I wonder is why anyone would want to stay there when there is a little seaside town called Bandon with some decent guest houses, a great fish and chip shack, and legal gambling in the bar at the end of the street. Yes, I was completely scalped by a bunch of caddies..

Gene Greco

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2006, 04:11:45 AM »
Paul:

     Indeed, all was just matter 'o fact.

It appears to be her "routine."
"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

Dub_ONeill

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2006, 10:16:02 AM »
I was just there with a group returning for the first time since 2002.  Our consensus was that the food was better than it was four years ago when it was considered good, not great.  I suspect that as Bandon becomes more part of the general public perception as the "best golf resort" in the US,  there are going to be more disappointed patrons who don't understand what to expect and are looking for Kohler west.  They are bound to be disappointed with the non-golf amenities. Our caddies told us that somewhere between a fourth and a third of the people arrive with only a cart bag and for a goodly number it was the first time they had ever walked on a golf course.  These people are not going to have the same experience as the folks who populate this site, and it is bound to result in some disappointed customers.

John_Cullum

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2006, 11:10:53 AM »
I gather that it is not a requirement to stay at the Bandon Golf lodge in order to book a tee time.

Are the green fees the same for those staying off property?
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Tom Huckaby

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2006, 11:18:06 AM »
I gather that it is not a requirement to stay at the Bandon Golf lodge in order to book a tee time.

Are the green fees the same for those staying off property?

Correct - it just is a bit more if you aren't staying on site.

http://www.bandondunesgolf.com/green_fees.cfm

This is an interesting thread... some might recall my complaint, shared by a few others, that Bandon is becoming TOO hoity-toity, populated by those there for a resort first, golf second, with such people being catered to; which contrasts distinctly from the feel and vibe there initially.  I guess this thread proves the point.  And please understand I cast no aspersions at those wanting "more" in terms of amenities - at the prices they now charge, you SHOULD get more.  And of course more power to Mr. Keiser and associates for charging what the market will bear.

It just does cause the soul to weep a bit more about what once was... this soul anyway.

TH
« Last Edit: July 17, 2006, 11:19:08 AM by Tom Huckaby »

Steve_Roths

Re:Bandon, good golf but bad....
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2006, 12:09:30 PM »
I think everyone should realize how CHEAP Bandon is in comparison to EVERYTHING out there in its class.

Kohler  $325 for Whistling Straits
Pebble $450 for Pebble Beach
Sawgrass $295 for TPC (might be higher)

Harbour Town and Kiawah are well north of $200.  

Yet, you can roll up and play Pacific Dunes for $185 and then half that for the second.  None of the places listed above would let you back around for less than full tilt.  

And for the people that think it isn't nice enough then don't come back and be sure to tell your friends how crappy it is as well.


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