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Richard_Mandell

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Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« on: June 16, 2006, 05:32:11 PM »
My Number Two man is moving to Florida to follow his Girlfriend who is going to start dental school on August 1st and I need a replacement.  See job description below.  Please do not respond if you do not have qualifications in this ballpark:

Landscape Architect Wanted

Entry level landscape architect wanted for a growing golf course architecture firm in Pinehurst, North Carolina.  Employment available August 1, 2006.  Primary focus of the firm is golf course design with a minor percentage of landscape architecture work.  Candidate must know Autocad, grading, planting design, and presentation graphics. Competitive salary and benefits.  We prefer an entry level candidate with a Landscape Architecture degree, possibly Civil Engineering degree.  Contact Richard Mandell, (910) 255-3111 or e-mail at rmga@carolina.net.

Richard_Mandell

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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2006, 05:35:39 PM »
Also, If one wants to learn more about Richard Mandell Golf Architecture you can visit my website at www.golf-architecture.com or see my Feature Interviews on this website.  

ed_getka

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2006, 05:52:51 PM »
Richard,
   Good luck finding a #2. It is nice to see your business is thriving. What projects do you have underway that you think have the most potential for you to show what you are capable of? I haven't seen any of your work in my travels thus far.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Ryan Farrow

Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2006, 07:51:47 PM »
Could you wait two years for me to finish school? ;D

Richard_Mandell

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2006, 10:08:38 PM »
Ryan, I'm sorry I can't wait for ya.

Ed, I've got a number of projects going on right now.  Unfortunately I do not have that one project yet that I can absolutely strut my stuff, primarily because the projects do not lend themselves to that opportunity.

It's been a while since I've participated in a GCA thread, thankfully because I've been so busy, but I still haven't lost my ability to deflate the room with another dose of "this is how it really is for most of us".

As all of my projects are renovations, I have more constraints by project than most Architects have with new projects.  As my calling card at this point in my career is to solve problems that seem unsolvable (whether it is finances, site constraints, or client needs), I am not blessed with the "freedom to design" from a design-standpoint as I would like.  A lack of constraints allows for a more free design palette and an easier task.  But design at its most basic form really is to solve problems.

That said, I am proud to say that the results of my current work will satisfy my clients' needs, be playable for the market the work serves, and will be cost controlled.

I sam currently under construction with a greens renovation at Keowee Key GOlf and Country Club, where the challenge is in minimizing slopes for greens on very difficult sites and a lack of space to move machinery (in other words, the budget is such that we are limited to the amount of sod we can use, therefore limited to the limits of disturbance, therefore limited in freedom of movement of machines).  This challenges me to create some very subtle, yet interesting contours for the golfing membership (avergae age over 60) and tie in many different conflicting landforms in an acceptable way.  As I have told my shaper, although we can limit our putting slopes to 2% to 2.5% in general, there is no reason we can't have a  whole slew of converging lines, highs, and lows at 1.5%.  The project is going well and the members are happy.

We are to start construction of greens, bunkers, tees, and miscellaneous items at a place called The Water's Edge Country Club in Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia the end of July.  The challenge here is to understand that the Owner loves the course as it is, despite some flaws.  He was deeply involved in the design and construction of it in 1985 with the Architect, Buddy Loving.  Loving was a standard seventies/early eighties architect who routed a nice golf course, yet the features are outdated.  Despite the introduction of a few double fairways and wel-placed hazards in the Business Plan, the Owner is reluctant to make these changes.  As much as many GCAers may think this is a sell-out, it is just doing what is best for the client.  The other challenge here is getting enough bang for a very tight buck, if you know what I mean.

Another project we are just beginning to do construction drawings for is another Donald Ross course in Fayetteville, North Carolina (Highland CC).  This project is especially exciting as it is the first Ross course for me that I have the original Ross grading plans.  The previous Ross projects I have done (Monroe in NC and Raleigh CC) have only had master plans.  Another project I am working on, Southern Pines CC, has no drawings whatsoever.  This project has the potential to be fantastic and I will fill you in as we go.  Right now, we have to get the project approved through the membership and hope to start construction next Spring.

The Southern Pines CC project will be an extreme challenge as there is no money available to do much and the charge is definitely "guerrilla renovation", coming up with very creative solutions.

The last project I am actively working on is Army Navy Country Club in Washington DC.  It is fifty-four holes (twenty-seven holes in Arlington and twenty-seven more in Fairfax).  The challenge here is to create a game plan to phase the numerous projects and financial challenges in such a way that the membership will accept.  Past Architects have failed at this.  We don't intend to.  After that, the actual design will be a breeze.

We've got some other things brewing, but nothing that we can talk about right now.

One last project I would like to mention is our new practice facility at The Country Club of North Carolina.  It has gotten great reviews so far and is a great compliment for my practice facility work at Raleigh CC, where we will finish the remaining tee complexes and a creek restoration next Spring.

I know these aren't oceanfront sites in Oregon or New Zealand, but these are the type of projects most Architects have and the ones that will help keep the game affordable.  

Thanks for letting me share Ed.

ed_getka

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2006, 10:36:48 PM »
Richard,
   Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate you taking the time to let us know what you are doing. I am just as interested in the nuts and bolts projects as the high profile things that get so much buzz.
   I am curious what features are outdated at Water's Edge CC?
   I for one don't think that meeting a client's needs/wishes is being a sellout. Making some suggestions of what your ideal vision for the course would be should be part of the discussion IMO, hoping that the client will move a little in your direction, thus ending with a course that is better than it was. Just cashing a check and not making the course any better would be selling out.
   Thanks again for the feedback. I look forward to hearing more in the future.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2006, 10:37:25 PM by ed_getka »
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Richard_Mandell

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2006, 11:00:20 PM »
Thanks Ed.  I don't think it is a sellout either and my task is indeed to give the Client my vision for the ultimate golf course on that site.  My job is then to give the Client a variety of renovation options ranging from the cost to complete the entire vision back down to the minimum project worth doing.  In this case, the cadillac would be somewhere in the $3.5 million range with a variety of price points backing down to just greens at $1.5 million.  As you said, it is my job to at least suggest a vision.  I must say the Client has moved in my direction in a big way, but not to the wall where the great stuff is yet.

The features I would consider dated at Water's Edge (and Keowee Key and many other places) are the bunkers, tees, and some greens complexes.  The standard seventies feature usually was built on a simple fill-pad of material with the thought that a rainfall will go through this feature above natural grade and then shed off in a variety of directions once it hits the gropund.  Back then, drainage wasn't as sophisticated as it is today, necessitating construction of artificial looking features.  The result are bunkers which just sit up out of the ground with no relationship to their surrounds.  

The course is also filled with free-from tee boxes which absolutely take up wasted tee space that still must be maintained yet provide no benefit to the Owner.  A simple rounded square or rectangle is always the most efficient use of tee space and loks classy anyway (if you ask me).  Tees are a great example of not-overthinking the concept.  the success of tees is in their placement and size.  Creativity in shape and contour (obviously) should be reserved for other features.

Many of the greens at The Edge have interesting contours, but the majority are basic kidney shapes with extreme (5-10%) back to front slopes and no variation in slope.  Two bunkers running the depth of each green sit up high and block anything that may sit behind them.  There are no other features near the putting surface except the mounds which artificially prop up those bunkers.

Mike Nuzzo

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2006, 01:00:29 AM »
Ryan,
Richard's listing only says degree preferred...
Why would you wait?
I'd hope you could learn all you'd need about Autocad by Aug 1.  Ask Richard for a list of everything you'd need - digitize and print most likely...  :)
You might be waiting a long time before you see a posting like this again...  Pinehurst isn't that big, it's near those 8 courses, many others and Ran...

Richard,
Good luck on the search.
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Richard_Mandell

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2006, 10:12:07 AM »
Mike:

If Ryan wants out of school, I'd consider it early.  Thanks.

Mike Nuzzo

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2006, 10:45:45 AM »
Richard,
He didn't want out early, and if he did it would be because of your enticement...

Please let me know how many candidates you hear from.
It would also be helpful for the younger guys hear of the competitive market.

Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

ed_getka

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2006, 01:21:14 PM »
Richard,
   Thanks for the additional feedback. It never occurred to me that a variety of options would be proposed. Is that common among architects in your experience?
   I think the bulk of future work will be in renovating golf courses, so you are probably in a good position. I am sure the goal is having the chance to build what you envision in your dreams on a great piece of land, but improving the quality of existing golf courses is certainly making a valuable contribution to golf. Not to mention a good way to earn a living since there are a LOT more courses out there that can be improved than great sites to be built on. :) Best of luck to you.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Forrest Richardson

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2006, 01:24:11 PM »
Is the the same Rich Mandell that I know? How can your posts only total 45???

— Forrest Richardson, Golf Course Architect/ASGCA
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Richard_Mandell

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2006, 01:47:00 PM »
Forrest:

I don't really know how I only have 45 posts.  Go figure?  Maybe I'm on a x100 type of counter.  Or maybe I've only had 45 posts which were controversial enough to be counted.

Ed, I'm going to save my thanks and kind words to you later on when I see this post start to sink again!

Ryan Farrow

Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2006, 05:26:05 PM »
I will find out in July if I get accepted into ASU's landscape architecture program. If that doesn’t go as planned I have month to figure out what the hell is going on in my career.  ;D Thank you Arizona State!

This also makes me wonder how hard it is to actually find a job or internship. I may begin sending out letters and resumes to the 15 or so design firms in the Phoenix area near the beginning of the semester. Hopefully I can land something in that part of the world.

Richard_Mandell

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2006, 09:22:13 AM »
Ed,  as promised, thanks for the kind words.

Ryan,  I don't think there are many job openings in the business right now, but surprisingly there are fewer LA grads who are interested in a job in the golf architecture field than we would have thought.  I think interest among grads has dropped as new openings have dropped.

Bill_McBride

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2006, 06:05:53 PM »
Richard, I share your appreciation of square or rectangular tees.  The tees at Winged Foot currently in view at the Open are beautiful.  I'm happy to see that Jerry Pate's design team on our complete rebuilding project at Pensacola CC is employing all squared off tees, should fit the classic motif we were seeking.

Are you planning to keep the existing routing etc at Southern Pines?  I played there last fall, loved the layout, obviously in need of some conditioning improvements and maybe some expansion back to original green dimensions.

Richard_Mandell

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2006, 10:19:31 PM »
Bill:

I am keeping the existing routing at Southern Pines.  I have found aerial photography from 1939 and 1950, but unfortunately the photos are very fuzzy.  Nonetheless, I plan to implement as much of the 1939 aerial as I can regarding hazards and then supplement with info from the 1951 aerial.  

The simple truth with SPCC is that hazard location and strategy were very plain and uninspiring, and we will supplement to improve the strategy of each hole carefully.  There are no drawings from Ross. SPCC is not a good candidate for true restoration, but can be improved greatly with a sensitive outlook.

Bill_McBride

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2006, 10:27:03 PM »
That approach to SPCC would be much like Ron Forse did at CC of Mobile, it worked really well.  The members wanted a "restoration" that included a classical approach, and that eventually translated into a terrific punchbowl and a pretty good Redan that would have been even better with more tilt.  So now there's more Ross-ness in the bunkering schemes but some additional good stuff which the members like.

Hopefully the members will agree at SPCC.  Has Ran agreed to consult?  ;)

Richard_Mandell

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2006, 10:39:22 AM »
Bill:

Ran's been consulting on that thing for years, but mostly on Friday afternoons with these things he calls club in his hands.  No one else is listening but me, so don't worry too much! :)

Richard_Mandell

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2006, 10:49:07 PM »
I wonder.  Are my job offer requirements too stringent or is it true that interest in the profession is dead?  Or is it that those qualified don't ever lurk here?  

I wonder.  I am willing to consider one with a few years experience and not just an entry-level candidate.

Scott Witter

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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2006, 10:43:11 AM »
Richard:

Have you considered contacting Tom Doak.  I was in a similar situation about a year or so ago and asked, emailed Tom if he could recommend any of the candidates that didn't make the cut in his internship program....thinking of course, that many of those who didn't make it would be qualified, since Tom does receive many inquiries but can only accept two in the end.  Tom was helpful and offered a few names.  Good luck  ;)

Brad Tufts

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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2006, 02:04:31 PM »
Richard,

As a visitor to SPCC every time I get down to P'hurst, I wanted to ask...is there any plan afoot to revive the 3rd 9?  By the looks of things it may require quite a bit more than a piecemeal renovation/restoration.  I don't know much of the history of that 9 either....is it Ross as well?

Thanks,

Brad
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Richard_Mandell

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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2006, 02:41:45 PM »
Scott:  Thanks for the tip and I'll consider calling Tom

Brad:  There are no plans to revive the third nine for the time being.  There is little to no concrete evidence that even the main eighteen holes at SPCC are Donald Ross, but anecdotally, all three nines are considered Ross.

Jeff_Brauer

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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2006, 02:49:06 PM »
Richard:

Have you considered contacting Tom Doak......

 

Yeah, and if doesn't want to do it, I would be interested! ;)
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Jim_Kennedy

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Re:Golf Course Architecture Office Job Opening
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2006, 03:19:03 PM »
 
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There is little to no concrete evidence that even the main eighteen holes at SPCC are Donald Ross......Richard Mandell

Richard,
I don't doubt your saying this but given the write-up by Ran, ("Yet, despite Ross's busy schedule, Southern Pines received plenty of attention from the master himself, given that he lived nearby"), local's knowledge, etc., it seems surprising.

Who'd have thunk it.  
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