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Tim Liddy

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Letter to Mr. Finchem
« on: May 15, 2006, 09:55:37 AM »
-A preliminary outline for a letter to Mr. Finchem on the state of tournament golf today.  

Problems:
- I am watching a bunch of millionaires play for more money, not inspiring
- Golf courses are boring and too artificial
- Power golf, no relevance to how we play the game
- No chance for the poor guy to make it.  I am looking for a hero
- These 22 yard wide fairways are staring to look funny
- TV viewers are dropping like a rock

Solutions:
-Bigger golf ball, revised golf ball, tournament golf ball, etc.
-Golf courses with options that players actually take
-More chance, less fairness on the golf course (bunkers actually a penalty)
-Firm greens and fairways for better shot making
-Make these guys play faster
-Give 5 – 10 young guys a chance every week
-Quite listening to the players complaints (the inmates are running the asylum) and listen to the fans

-Any thoughts?

Eric Franzen

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2006, 10:06:32 AM »
You might want to include a copy of Shackelford's "The Future of Golf" together with your letter, since a lot of those opionions also are thoughtfully voiced in his book.

I like your point about getting the guys to play faster. Even though it may result in my fellow Swede Niclas Fasth failing to make the European Ryder Cup team.


 

ForkaB

Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2006, 10:24:15 AM »
Tim

Excellent comments.  Some thoughts:

--not inspiring.  Most pros looks they are on Qualuudes.  Do SOMETHING to make them look human!
--golf courses are boring.  Not to us mortals, but set them up so the pros have to face the challenges we face.
--make these guys play faster.  YES!!!!
    --real penalties (i.e) strokes!
    --eliminate caddies--if these guys are athletes they don't need some geezer to schlep their equipment
--give 5-10 young kids a break every week.  YES!  The bottom 30% of the tour are just that, bottom fishers.  Open it up to the talented wannabes.

Go for it Tim

Rich

PThomas

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2006, 10:28:37 AM »
Geoff's website talks about how ratings are down about one-third, so you would think Finchem and his crew would be somewhat concerned since the almighty dollar is therefore involved...

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Jordan Wall

Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2006, 10:33:42 AM »
I love the US Open because I can relate to the players when they struggle for par.

I do not at all mind seeing a few players go way under par for a tournament once or twice, but every week it get's boring.

I would love to see more players struggle for par rather than struggle for birdie.

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2006, 10:34:18 AM »
Why not ask for some steroid testing?

If it is not the ball, not the equipment, not the fairways cut to teensy bits of an inch then surely some guy adding twenty yards or so to his drives over a year or two, must be getting help somewhere?

Bob

A_Clay_Man

Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2006, 10:43:26 AM »
Rihc's point about similar predicaments, is a key one.

I think that's why alot of people woke-up early, on those Sunday mornings, to watch those old satelite bouncing, golf ball strobing, ABC telecasts, of the British open. Back in the day.

On tour, You rarely, if ever get to see one the world's best, chop it out of hay like in the Open Championship. People love that.

tlavin

Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2006, 10:49:32 AM »
Let's face it, the poison to the fun of the pro game is the allure to its participants: MONEY.  The money has done wreckage to the game.  Money is responsible for the wacky technological advances that have rendered the formerly interesting golf game of fifteen years ago into Mr. Roboto in Sansabelt slacks.  Remember when players hit long irons into most par 4's at Firestone?  Remember when Doral played like a monster?  Now, with precious few exceptions, it's monster drive, short iron and hope to make a putt.  Borrrrrrring.  (Technology is great for us commoners, of course!)

Also, with so much money at stake, the players are taking a robotic, scientific, way-too-nutritious approach to their profession.  There used to be characters on the PGA tour, now we have dullards like Chad Campbell, Trevor Immelman and the like.  These guys strike me as remarkably soulless shotmakers, men who are working on the balance sheet, not the trophy case.  And who can blame them?  Yesterday, the biggest putt of the day came when Immelman sewed up second place for the second week in a row when he shoulda, coulda, dint win.  And Lanny and Jim were applauding him for knocking it in!

The only personality left in the golf game comes in the form of a handful of players and a handful of golf courses that still have some character.  There's that word again.  Give me some characters.  I'll pass on the vanilla, thank you very much.

JNagle

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2006, 11:01:47 AM »
Tim -

We recently had the opportunity to walk the restored Metairie C.C. in Metairie, LA with Duffy Waldorf (not the greatest PGA player, but a proven player on the tour).  The Pro/Am was during the Zurich Open and Ron and I went down to watch how these guys would play a classic/strategic (shorter) course.  Duffy and the other pros greatly enjoyed the course.  Duffy said he enjoyed the options into the greens.  He had to play for position off the tee and the greens were varied and interesting.  He said so much of how they play now is simply about yardage.  The bunkers are not to be carried, just avoided.  For us this was insightful and validating to what many seem to think about the Tour.  

There was a brief discussion weeks ago about the "Attack and Defence" chapter from Wethered and Simpson's - The Architectural Side of Golf.  It discusses the very issues that are happening on the Tour and that was written in 1929.


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RJ_Daley

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2006, 12:51:46 PM »
Eliminate the use of tees (not my idea, Rees JOnes made a speech on that) and reduce the clubs in the bag limit to 10.
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Dan Kelly

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2006, 01:12:25 PM »
I agree with my Dick Daley on Point 2. Fewer clubs would help. It would give the announcers something interesting to talk about, at any rate.

As for the announcers (CBS Division), see http://www2.sportsnet.ca/blogs/john_gordon/2006/05/14/from_the_couch/

But it seems to me that the PGA Tour's biggest problem -- even bigger than the apparent personalitylessness of the players (which TV could certainly help to remedy by, for example, putting a mike on a couple of them, and a couple of the caddies, each week) -- is that it's the same damned thing week in and week out: four rounds of medal play on some indistinguishable golf course.

If I weren't a fantasy-golf nut, I wouldn't watch anything beyond the majors and the Players and Tour Championship. Even as a fantasy-golf nut, I probably haven't watched a dozen hours of standard-issue PGA Tour this season.

If I were Tim Finchem, I would be convening a committee of respected players to discuss all of the many possible formats professional golfer/entertainers could use to attract an audience.

Part of each year would, at a minimum, be "team" golf. A group of top players would be chosen to captain teams -- chosen via a draft, by those top players.

Variety is the spice of golf -- and/or life.
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2006, 01:21:03 PM »
Jnagle, I played in the same event at Metairie. I beat the pro I played with because he did zero thinking. He hit it 300 down the middle everytime yet could not do anything but knock a wedge up fairly close. It was painful to watch him not get it on a somewhat easy and very short course.

John Keenan

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2006, 02:36:37 PM »
I fully agree with Mr. Kelly's comments.

First limit them to 10-12 clubs. It would be a lot more fun then what we see today. On the fun to view scale I found this weekend rather on the dry side. Exception was Ray Floyd outing.

Also nice to have broadcasters  who are not "marketing"their instruction services or selling equipment via comments. Its about the golf tournament or suppose to be.

Ok off my soap box
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Lynn_Shackelford

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2006, 03:17:36 PM »
Tiger, you need to clarify.  The pro hit it 300 yards, put wedge up fairly close and you beat him?  What did you shoot, 64?

I don't watch those regular Tour events, they are so boring.  But if you told me that they would be playing the Byron Nelson this weekend without using tees, I would tune in.  No I wouldn't, the course is too straightforward.

But I have enjoyed the Federer-Nadal tennis matches on clay.  Variety of shots, including drop shots.  They are by far the most engaging tennis events today.  Interesting venues, guys who care and variety in shotmaking.  The PGA Tour knows they have problems.
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jeffwarne

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2006, 03:45:11 PM »
absolutely unwatchable with 80% commercial time on yesterday's final round.
The content becomes irrelevant when it's 80% commercials.
Do they think those "name" players contending yesterday are going to skip the event if it has a smaller purse?
If they did would anyone notice?
All great players but so are the top 20 on the Nationwide Tour
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Jay Flemma

Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2006, 04:42:20 PM »

But I have enjoyed the Federer-Nadal tennis matches on clay.  Variety of shots, including drop shots.  They are by far the most engaging tennis events today.  Interesting venues, guys who care and variety in shotmaking.

All true, but what in the Sam Hill was nadal wearing yesterday?  He looked like a grungepunk got in a fight with pastel shower curtain...

David Kelly

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2006, 04:57:21 PM »
I am sure that Finchem feels that they have to keep raising purses on the PGA Tour to prevent someone like Norman from coming in and getting an alternative world tour going by offering higher prizes.

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tlavin

Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2006, 05:04:15 PM »
My earlier post talked about the evils that money is imposing on the pro game.  I guess I'd take it a step further and say that the other problem is that there are frighteningly few players who have a trophy attitude as opposed to a financial attitude.  I suppose it's easy to say that one should try to win and all of the other stuff takes care of itself, but it seems that there is a generational mindset that is all about the money list and not about doing what it takes to compete and win.

On a related note, I was watching LeBron James play this weekend and his former coach said that he was an unbelievably better prepared and motivated second-year player.  He used his off time to figure out how to win and how to be a better teammate.

In the pro game, Tiger elevated the entire tour in terms of practice and fitness, but there aren't many players who can work the soft tissue between the ears as hard as he can.  Phil has finally figured out that he has to have a game plan and he needs to rely on the advice of experts in order to win majors.  I think the pro game will continue to be boring until we get eight or ten players who want to really compete.

Too many posers, in my decidedly lay opinion.

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2006, 05:23:17 PM »
My earlier post talked about the evils that money is imposing on the pro game.  I guess I'd take it a step further and say that the other problem is that there are frighteningly few players who have a trophy attitude as opposed to a financial attitude.

tlavin,

I think we have to look at the nomenclature of the PGA Tour.

This is basically a closed union shop of professional golfers. Their aim is to make a living out of playing golf. If one looks at the number of players who win a run of the mill Tour event it is very small indeed, when one takes it further into the realm of Major Tournaments it is minute.

The current setup of a top 125 as conceived by a less than stellar competitor, Gary McCord, has contributed to the least competitive era of golf competition in history.


Bob

PThomas

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2006, 05:30:32 PM »
My earlier post talked about the evils that money is imposing on the pro game.  I guess I'd take it a step further and say that the other problem is that there are frighteningly few players who have a trophy attitude as opposed to a financial attitude.

tlavin,

I think we have to look at the nomenclature of the PGA Tour.

This is basically a closed union shop of professional golfers. Their aim is to make a living out of playing golf. If one looks at the number of players who win a run of the mill Tour event it is very small indeed, when one takes it further into the realm of Major Tournaments it is minute.

The current setup of a top 125 as conceived by a less than stellar competitor, Gary McCord, has contributed to the least competitive era of golf competition in history.


Bob


does anyone know how/why they more than doubled the number of exempt players from 60 to 125?  I can see why you would have increased it...but not that much
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Phil Benedict

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2006, 05:47:29 PM »

I don't watch those regular Tour events, they are so boring.  But if you told me that they would be playing the Byron Nelson this weekend without using tees, I would tune in.  No I wouldn't, the course is too straightforward.

But I have enjoyed the Federer-Nadal tennis matches on clay.  Variety of shots, including drop shots.  They are by far the most engaging tennis events today.  Interesting venues, guys who care and variety in shotmaking.  The PGA Tour knows they have problems.

Lynn,

Do you watch the regular tour events that Tiger plays (Woods I mean, not Bernhardt)?  Federer-Nadal in a final is the tennis equivalent of Tiger-Phil in the last group.  Plus that match in Rome ended in a fifth-set tiebreaker. You probably wouldn't have been so interested if it were two anonymous clay-courters slogging it out.

Tim Finchem's biggest problem as the CEO of an entertainment business is that it's so personality-driven, and one personality overshadows everyone else.  Even a golf-obsessed person like yours truly has fallen into this trap, paying way more attention to events that Tiger enters.  And I root against him, not because he's a bad guy but because so much fuss is made of him.  I swear Nance is gonna kiss his feet (or worse) some day.

I think we worry too much about the Tour.  They play a different game.

Craig Sweet

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2006, 05:52:03 PM »
There is NOTHING WRONG with PGA Tour golf!  These guys are good....they do not play the same game we do....get over it!!

Shaq does not play basketball like me....Jeter does not play baseball like me....should we raise the hoop...again....should we make Jeter run 65 feet between bases instead of 60??????

Why?  

No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

tlavin

Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2006, 05:53:17 PM »
Phil,

We probably do "worry too much about the Tour".  And we probably spew more angst about Tim Finchem than is warranted.  Financially speaking and marketplace share speaking, the pro game has never been better.

Maybe we're just elitists of some order..

Craig Sweet

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2006, 05:53:55 PM »
Finchem is the CEO of a money raising business...plain and simple.

Golf and the players are the means for raising the money....he appears quite successful at raising money...why change anything?
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Rick Shefchik

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Re:Letter to Mr. Finchem
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2006, 06:52:54 PM »
If the fans are losing interest, then something IS wrong -- maybe not with the game itself, but in its capacity to entertain. Craig's comparison of PGA golf to the NBA relly rang a bell with me -- I used to love the NBA, and now I can't click past it fast enough. Is something wrong with the game of pro basketball? I'm not in a position to say that, but I can definitely say it doesn't appeal to me. There's probably nothing wrong with the game of team handball, either, but I wouldn't watch that...

Finchem isn't in the business of improving OR preserving golf. He's in the business of putting asses in the seats and eyeballs on the screen. If those numbers are in decline, the game might not have a problem, but Finchem does.
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