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Jim Nugent

Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« on: May 05, 2006, 08:28:40 AM »
She shot 70 - 69, and is tied for 17th after two rounds, six behind the leaders, at the SK Telecom Open on the Asian Tour.  The course is 7,152 yards, par 72.  

A few interesting points:

* She leads K.J. Choi by one stroke.  Choi currently ranks 52nd on the PGA money list;

* She hit 13 greens in both rounds, a 72.2% GIR average;

* She made 4 birdies in each round;

* Her Korean name apparently is Sung Mi Wi.

Wie's results keep getting better each year.  I will be real surprised if she does not win at least one LPGA event in 2006.  

PThomas

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2006, 09:09:17 AM »
now that this monkey is off her back we might see even more amzing stuff

what a talent, and she seems like a fine young lady as well
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Craig Sweet

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2006, 09:29:34 AM »
I asked this question in another thread....will Michelle Wie change the way golf course archetects design for "women" in the same way Tiger has?

I'm thinking "Tiger proofing"....will their be "Wie proofing"


Garland Bayley

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2006, 11:02:40 AM »
Forget Wie proofing. I just hope it brings more women to the game so they begin to get more respect. I played with two ladies last weekend that were complaining that all the courses they play have the ladies tees stuck in awkward out of the way places. One of them said for a time she played the mens tees because of it. She is a 29 so the mens tees are borderline appropriate for her.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2006, 12:06:15 PM by Garland Bayley »
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Glenn Spencer

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2006, 11:08:42 AM »
Could someone please give me an example of Tiger proofing or MW proofing?

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2006, 11:44:44 AM »
Mr. Eckstein,

it would seem as though your twenty-sixth post in response to Jim Nugents off topic update on Miss Wie was unduly harsh.

It is understood here, that if you see something of a similar nature that does not conform to the discussion of the minutiae
of the facing of a bunker at Auld Sod G.C., then you ignore the topic and move on.

Bob

Jim Franklin

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2006, 11:57:41 AM »
Bob, great post and well said. I now am certain I am sorry I did not to see you when I was in Monterey in February. Hopefully we can get together next time I get out west.
Mr Hurricane

Chris_Clouser

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2006, 12:35:17 PM »
Glenn Spencer,

Per Wikipedia, here is what Tiger-proofing is defined as.  

Early in Woods' career, a small number of golf experts expressed concern about his impact on the competitiveness of the game (and thus the public appeal of professional golf). This issue was most prominent from 1999-2002, when Woods was at his most dominant. Sports writer Bill Lyon of Knight-Ridder asked in a column, "Isn't Tiger Woods actually bad for golf?" (though Lyon ultimately concluded that he wasn't [13]). At first, some pundits feared that Woods would drive the spirit of competition out of the game of golf by making existing courses obsolete and relegating opponents to simply competing for second place each week. Many courses in the PGA Tour rotation (including Major Championship sites like Augusta National) even began to add yardage to their tees in an effort to slow down long hitters like Woods, a strategy that became known as "Tiger-Proofing". However, Woods was unable to maintain his pace after 2002. Also, the increases in PGA Tour television ratings and prize money since Woods arrived on the golf scene have largely discredited his detractors to the point that, as of 2005, the complaint is rarely heard. The current mainstream view is that Woods' success is one of the most positive things that has ever happened to golf.

I don't think it is something is specifically targeted at Tiger, but just the prodigious gains in length the tour players were getting over that period and it has been slapped with that label because he is the face of professional golf currently.  I do find it ironic that the most drastic changes occur on courses after Tiger wins there (Torrey Pines and Augusta as example).  Also, whenever anyone talks about lengthening a "championship" course or some other factor that makes it more difficult they always say something to effect of "We just wanted to make this course more relevant today and challenge the Tiger Woods of the world."

Glenn Spencer

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2006, 12:42:21 PM »
Thanks Chris. I don't really think that clears up anything though. The term itself is just a bad one in my mind. You can Brad Faxon proof a course, but you can Tiger proof a course with length or diffuculty. The only way to Tiger proof a course is to take away all the par 5's and short par 4's- Anything else and you are playing into his hands. I see what you are saying though Chris, I just wish they would stop attaching his name to this practice, because toughening a golf course will play into his hands all day long.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2006, 01:26:48 PM by Glenn Spencer »

Garland Bayley

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2006, 01:26:38 PM »
Bill,

You are comparing apples to oranges. SeRe played in a Korean tour event. Michelle is playing in an Asian tour event. Michelle leads KJ Choi by a stroke.
 PS I assume you dislike Tiger too. He is more buy buy buy than Michelle.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2006, 01:28:13 PM by Garland Bayley »
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jim Nugent

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2006, 01:28:54 PM »
Don't forget that Si Ri Pak once made the cut in Korea and finished 17th.  Let's see if she can do as well as Si Ri, so far that's the only legitiamte comparison ::)

I believe Pak made the cut in a Korean tour event, while this is an Asian tour event.  i.e. this is on a tougher, more prestigious tour.  World Golf Rankings rate this on par, point-wise, with Nationwide Tour events.  

Garland Bayley

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2006, 01:32:46 PM »
Eckstein
What part of "Wie makes cut in Asian men's event" didn't you understand to be OT?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Glenn Spencer

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2006, 01:33:13 PM »
I don't care what it is. I would be impressed if she made the cut at the Southern Amateur, just as I was impressed when she made match play at the USPL. MW is an awesome talent, this is impressive stuff for a 16-year old guy, nevermind a girl. I can't believe that people care about how she is marketed, do you think she has anything to do with that? Just appreciate her for her golf game and go from there. 16-YEAR OLD GIRL!!!

Glenn Spencer

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2006, 01:35:35 PM »
Yeah, Seriously, what about the title didn't give it away?

ChasLawler

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2006, 01:40:18 PM »
Bill,

You are comparing apples to oranges. SeRe played in a Korean tour event. Michelle is playing in an Asian tour event. Michelle leads KJ Choi by a stroke.
 
Michelle Wie is an incredible talent with enormous potential, but leading KJ Choi by a stroke means absolutely nothing.


Garland Bayley

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2006, 01:52:03 PM »
If your agenda was to make it easier on Ran, then I think all you need post is "Please edit the subject of this thread to contain OT". Instead you seem bent on making attacks as I have seen here and on other threads.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Craig Van Egmond

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2006, 02:00:48 PM »

Eckstein,

         If you want to make it easier on Ran, then send him a check.   We don't really need more people pointing out what is OT and what is not.

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2006, 02:27:51 PM »
Craig Edgmand
Does sending a check give you the right to disregard the wishes of the founder?? Do you see Jim Nugent, Bob Huntley, Glenn Spencer or Garland Bayley's name under contributions??

You are right he doesn't need more people pointing out what is OT, he needs more people respecting his wishes.

Mr Eckstein,

I am not sure who you are or where you came from and how Ran Morrissette selected you to GCA, I do know that if he deems something to be not appropriate to this site he is able to take steps to remedy it. It is not your function as a newcomer to lecture other contributors to this forum.

As for contributions look again, I have paid mine whenever due.

On another matter, when you have participated in the fellowship of this group and of being some assistance in bringing a disparate group together, to not only discuss golf course architecture but to allow others to enjoy what has been discussed, then you can make your snotty remarks ar will.

Bob Huntley

Glenn Spencer

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2006, 02:47:49 PM »
Eckstein,

When Ran presented the rules, he asked for participation as well. I believe that he had more than an average of 7 posts a year in mind. I am sure that he appreciates the noble work that you are doing, but MW has everything to do with architecture and how the game will likely change for the women because of her and her talents.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2006, 02:48:28 PM by Glenn Spencer »

Glenn Spencer

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2006, 02:51:31 PM »
Bob's first response looks more like sage advice than a lecture to me. The man made a 2 on Riv's 2nd, I suggest you listen.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2006, 02:53:44 PM by Glenn Spencer »

Craig Sweet

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2006, 04:17:42 PM »
My thinking is Wie may very well be  (one of) the first young, long hitting women to join the LPGA...if others follow due to her success, will golf courses change to accomadate the longer hitting women?

Jim Nugent

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2006, 04:26:40 PM »
My thinking is Wie may very well be  (one of) the first young, long hitting women to join the LPGA...if others follow due to her success, will golf courses change to accomadate the longer hitting women?

Maybe.  Or will those longer-hitting women simply play the men's tees?  

Glenn Spencer

Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2006, 04:29:31 PM »
For now, I think she is just a special case, 100 years from now, I really don't know. I am glad that I won't be seeing some both-gender tour.

Bill_McBride

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2006, 04:41:54 PM »
Usually it's not what you say, it's how you say it.

Rick Shefchik

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Re:Wie makes cut in Asian men's event
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2006, 06:23:18 PM »
What is it that appeals about media driven stars to all of you?  

The very qualities that make them media-driven stars.
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