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Marty Bonnar

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The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« on: May 03, 2006, 02:19:02 PM »
John K and I rounded off his latest Scottish jaunt with a quick few holes at the 'post-Liddy' Dukes.Tim has done a nice job softening the formerly bland contours and bunkering with lots of MacKenzie-esque frilliness. One teeny problem I noticed was the leaching of the local VERY RED clay into the white sandy bunkers. Watch out for that, Tim!

The formerly dull Par 5 beginning to look like a Heathland golf hole...



A couple from the new #1. Looking nice - I love the bunkers running into the Gorse. I hope the Super and his staff can keep that look going.





The Par 3 #3. Pine Valley comes to Fife!


A tired but Very Happy Krystynak surveys the Glorious Gorse on the New Course as his farewell to Scotland for this year...


FBD.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Tom Huckaby

Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2006, 03:41:04 PM »
Great stuff.

Love the hat.  The man rightly pays homage to Mr. Huntley.

 ;D

Marty Bonnar

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2006, 04:00:47 PM »
Great stuff.

Love the hat.  The man rightly pays homage to Mr. Huntley.

 ;D

Rather spookily, the R&A were playing a medal on TOC that afternoon and we both thought we spotted a Huntley look-a-like (and walk-a-like) coming in off the Course. 'Twould have been most cool if it was, but when the gent came closer we realised our error.
In other news from St A, the splendid Quarto bookshop is changing hands and has all new books with 33% off and all used books at half-price. Their GCA collection is second to none and some serious bargains to be had!

FBD.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Brian_Ewen

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2006, 04:01:01 AM »
http://sport.scotsman.com/golf.cfm?id=750242006


Duke's new look embraces past Tradition to fore in course rebuild
MIKE AITKEN

AS A heathland course in an area renowned for its majestic linksland, the Duke's Course was viewed as a square peg in a round hole after it was first built in 1995. Now, however, thanks to an arresting make-over from the American golf architect, Tim Liddy, the Duke's is finally set to find its own niche in the rugged landscape of St Andrews golf.

With substantial financial backing from Old Course hotel owner Herb Kohler - the American entrepreneur also runs Whistling Straits in Wisconsin, where Vijay Singh won the PGA championship in 2004 - Liddy has not only replaced the four closing holes, originally designed by five-time former Open champion Peter Thomson, but also altered every bunker on the 7,500 yard lay-out and created a new look for the 21st century steeped in the traditions of late 19th and early 20th century Scottish course architecture.

Far from transplanting a chunk of Florida into the neuk of Fife, Liddy took the opportunity to spend last winter searching for inspiration in the photographic library at the University of St Andrews. The end result, which includes 100 new or remodelled bunkers and is both craggy and beautiful, officially opens in June.

A colleague of Pete Dye's, who fashioned Whistling Straits, as well as a designer in his own right, Liddy is a champion of the game's roots who already rates the par-3 15th at North Berwick and the par 4-17th at Muirfield as lasting examples of Scottish influence on modern golf design. An admirer of Dr Alister MacKenzie and Donald Ross (the best known architects in America with Scottish heritage), Liddy was happy to go back to the future once it emerged Kohler wanted a more natural look for the Duke's.

Built on the Mount Melville estate formerly owned by the Younger family - Dr James Younger was a past captain of the Royal and Ancient - the land was not the easiest to adapt for golf and was hampered, at first, by drainage problems. "The hillside site is a difficult one for a golf course," acknowledged Liddy.

"But at the same time it's very beautiful and scenic, with views of the North Sea and the town of St Andrews. We always knew it would not be able to compete with the great links along the coast, but could still be a unique inland golf experience. Mr Kohler's love of nature influenced the look of the bunkers. My normal style is quite different: having worked with Pete Dye over the past 18 years, I normally build grass-faced bunkers.

"The bunker style we're using at the Duke's was common on the old Scottish golf courses before they established bunker revetment techniques. I went to the University of St Andrews photo library and researched old photographs of the area's golf courses and found sample bunker photos from the late 1880s through to the 1930s. We built a few of these for Mr Kohler's review and he loved them. In fact the more natural, eroded and wind-blown they looked, the better he liked them. With that, we were off and running.

"We altered the character of the golf course with remodelled bunkering, softening the manufactured shapes and adding new plantings, all to emphasise the natural beauty of the site. The eroded edges and natural shapes [of the bunkers] harmonise with the evergreen trees and gorse found throughout the site. I was fortunate to have so many talented people work on the bunkers. They came from all over America, Canada, and the British Isles. Of the approximate 100 new and remodeled bunkers, we had a dozen individuals shape them into a style that underscored the beauty of the site. As an architect, I can see the personality of each individual in every bunker.

"We also incorporated some of Dr Mackenzie's camouflage techniques with our new bunkering to provide a few areas of distance deceptions. I challenge the golfer to estimate the yardages on several of our views to greens. Also, I softened many of the horizon lines to fit with the surrounding landscape. We added many trees in the perimeter areas and planted heather throughout the golf course, which added greatly to the look.

"Of course the heathland golf courses in the south of England also had a great influence on us. We considered the natural colouring of those courses and used this to guide new plantings of heather, gorse and evergreen trees which frame the golf course and support the individual hole strategies. I also must say Sir Michael and Lady Bonallack were a great support to me. Sir Michael's counsel to me throughout the project was invaluable and one cannot overstate his love and understanding of this great game and its architecture."

Liddy, who lives in the American midwest, based himself in St Andrews while nurturing the project and says he'll always remember the time he spent here.

"Living in St Andrews for the spring and summer was a once in a lifetime experience: to appreciate the nuances of the North Sea and it's effect on the daily climate, the different wildlife and vegetation, and the wonderful people. The Scots, more than [folk] anywhere else, love their golf and are very knowledgeable about the game.

"I loved St Andrews in the winter - with few tourists around it became more of a local experience.

"Everything we do as golf course architects originates with the Old Course. The strategies that influenced the great architects of the past century, Dr MacKenzie and Donald Ross, are all there to discover. It's a magical place. As Bobby Jones once said: 'I can learn more in a week on the Old Course than in a year on many a sterling championship test in America' ".

Although Kohler's decision to hire Liddy rather than Thomson to revise the Australian's original lay-out could have been a source of controversy, the American points out he received nothing but consideration from one of the masters of links golf. While the course has been lengthened by 350 yards, Liddy insists the focus is on strategic play, rather than power golf, and remains true to the fundamentals of the original design.

"Mr Kohler talked to him and felt like he (Thomson) wanted to go in a different direction. I did meet Mr Thompson last summer at the Open and he was very nice to me. He invited me to a breakfast at the Duke's and I will always be grateful for his cordial and friendly attitude towards me."

While his new holes provide the Duke's with a testing finishing stretch - the 16th is a downhill par 3 and the 17th and 18th are delightful par 4s which wind back to the clubhouse - Liddy dreams of returning to Scotland one day. "Of course I would love to design a course from scratch here," he says. "It's one of the most scenic areas on earth. I tell all of my friends and acquaintances to visit the magical 'auld grey toun'. The pace of life and the people are the best in the world."

RJ_Daley

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2006, 09:26:46 AM »
The bunkers in the foreground in the first picture has Mike O'neil written all over them.  Can anyone confirm that?

The article has Liddy telling how he had a dozen GC construction workers from all around to come and assist in the earthwork and shaping.  I wonder if we can find out who all was involved.  I know that Dan Proctor and Mike O'Neil were there a couple of times.

Is there a distinct difference in the construction design and technique in who built which features?  I think it is evident that the technique varies, in a very good way.
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Tim Liddy

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2006, 12:26:23 PM »
Good question.
Here is a Dan Proctor (after about 1/2 dozen guys had already worked on -including me) with a little heather planted on it.




Tim Liddy

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2006, 12:29:59 PM »
Here is Kye Goalby's and Klye Franz's work on the par 3 eighth. The little bunkers on the left are mine and of course I told everyone they are the best bunkers on the golf course.

Tim Liddy

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2006, 12:35:57 PM »
This bunker on #10 fairway was started by Mike O'Neal (Iron Mike)and finished by Kyle and Kye.  Brian Caesar also worked on it.

Tim Liddy

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2006, 12:48:45 PM »
RJ,

You are correct the first color photo shows Mike's work, although James Duncan also worked the the first set of bunkers. I was very fortunate to have this great talent on the site.  Many others contibuted - seeing Scotland and St. Andrews was a major draw.  

ed_getka

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2006, 01:56:03 PM »
Tim,
  Did you add bunkering or just redo existing bunkers?
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Tim Liddy

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2006, 05:22:25 PM »
Ed,

New bunker strategies were developed for each golf hole. We remodeled a few bunkers in place (or made larger or smaller), removed several and added a small number of bunkers also. We built many different types of bunkers depending on the strategy.

Also, in a remodel, the earthwork that supports the bunkers varies.  When bunkers were remodeled in place, we tried to work within the existing earthwork to minimize the disturbed area. This effected how a bunker looked and added variety to them as well.

Bill_McBride

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2006, 06:04:46 PM »
More golf carts in the Kingdom.  What the hell's going on over there, Bonnar?  This is unacceptable!

There were actually two carts on the Balcomie Links last summer during Open week, each with a red flag which I guess was to indicate its use for the disabled.  Each cart contained two youngish Scot lads hitting shots and hopping in and out.

Another sign of deteriorating civilization!  ::) :P

Sean_A

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2006, 08:12:35 PM »
Bill

The crazy crap disease has spead south of the wall.  At Addington I saw:

1. A group of young lads in carts
2. A fiveball (of members) which slowed us down tremendously - very poor form
3. The fiveball eventually split into a 2 and 3 after we waited for them on three holes.  We still waited on the 3 ball and they did not let us pass even when one of their players walked back to us to replay in the 16th fairway after spending an eternity looking for his ball - exceedingly poor form
4. Pete's shoes were nicked from the lockeroom.  Club employees were very unhelpful especially since we all suspected that a society had mistakingly grabbed Pete's kit in a rush and were still on the course.  The man had access to a buggy, but would not go out and ask the society despite the clubhouse closing soon leaving Pete and his wife to wait outside to speak with the society members when they eventually turned up.  This is in addition to a train schedule the Buczs were meant to meet.
5. We took four hours as a two ball and still missed two holes because time was kicking on.  

All in all, I was very unimpressed with Addington's staff and membership and this would probably be enough reason not to revisit the club anytime soon.  The exception to this was the secretary who made a point to welcome us.  In fairness, I am usually treated courteously by the staff and members os most clubs in England.  The Addington was the exception to this rule.  

Ciao

Sean
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RJ_Daley

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2006, 11:25:05 PM »
Tim Liddy, congratulations on the project.  I think it is very cool that you brought in some the finest "bunkermeisters" and give them credit.

Do you have many photos documenting the before and after on The Duke's course?  I would like to hear more comments by the people familiar with playing the course before, and what do they think of it now.  

I wonder if the rare numbers of people that will eventually play Bandon Trails and The Dukes, so seperated by two continents might find some similarities.  From photos I've seen of Bandon Trails and the Duke's course, I see similarities.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2006, 11:28:30 PM by RJ_Daley »
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Paul_Turner

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Re:The Duke finally exposes his new Petticoats...
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2006, 09:56:44 AM »
Maybe Tim could visit St George's Hill and fix their redone bunkers.  Particularly the famous 8th.

I think it'll be interesting how this bunker style is greeted in Scotland.  It's almost certainly unique in the country;  I haven't seen a links that isn't revetted.  
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