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Tim_Cronin

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2006, 09:11:43 PM »
And by the way, NBC has announced that this year's U.S. Open (and most if not all future NBC golf coverage) will be in HD. CBS used 54 HD cameras at Augusta.
NBC, which will be using its new "Sunday Night Football" truck for golf as well, uses around the number at the Open.
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Doug Siebert

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2006, 11:09:07 PM »
The more interesting question would be how many people THINK they are watching it in HD when they really aren't.

Probably 98% of 42" plasma TVs sold to date are not really HD, almost all sold are 480p.  Usually they are 640x480, a few newer ones are 1024x768 which is at least close to 720p.  Most (but not all) of the 50" plasmas can do lower resolution HD, i.e., 720p (they tend to be 1024x768, the widescreen ones are 1388x768 so they can display full 720p but not 1080i.  LCDs tend to have higher resolutions but most are only 720p capable.

The picture may be better than standard TVs on a lot of these "HD" TVs people are buying, but very few are capable of displaying the full 1920x1080 that CBS broadcast.

Anyone who wonders why the uptake of HD has been so slow needs look no further than the fact there are well over a dozen different HD formats.  With CRT sets it wasn't a huge problem, but with fixed pixel sets like plasmas, LCD or DLP its a pain in a ass.  If its native resolution is set up for 720p, it displays a worse picture for 1080i input than if it had just been broadcast at 720p, and vice versa, and all the fancy $1500 DVDO scalers can't make the problem go away, despite what the salesdroids would like people to believe.  I know a guy who "solved" the problem in his home theatre by getting TWO projectors, with some sort of $1000 gizmo that sends 720p content to the 720p projector and 480i/480p/1080i/1080p content to the 1080p projector!
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RJ_Daley

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2006, 11:42:12 PM »
Huh?  Now I know why your hovercraft is full of eels... ;D
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Michael Goody

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2006, 12:47:12 AM »
i didn't see much of a reason to buy an HDTV, but i did a few months ago nonetheless.

today was the first time i felt there was any value to it. i flipped back and forth between the HD and the regular broadcast when couples hit his second into 14 and the difference was striking in the ability to pick up the slopes on that green. incredible.

Brent Hutto

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2006, 04:11:17 AM »
With CRT sets it wasn't a huge problem, but with fixed pixel sets like plasmas, LCD or DLP its a pain in a ass.  If its native resolution is set up for 720p, it displays a worse picture for 1080i input than if it had just been broadcast at 720p, and vice versa...

And let's not even get into the fact that some people think it would be an improvement for all HDTV content to "just" be broadcast in 720p (instead of 1080i).

Dan Herrmann

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2006, 09:02:45 AM »
Yes, we watched in native 1080i resolution.  (CBS and NBC use 1080i, FOX and ABC use 720p).  After watching the NFL this past year, I think CBS Sports has the best technical HD picture.

Did you notice how the widescreen aspect ratio really made you feel like you were there?  I loved the pictures near 18 green where you could see back down #10.  Really showed the elevation changes.

Did you notice the (healed) cuts on the greens caused by the Graden verti-cutter?  Nice to see that AGNC exhibits signs of maintenance too.

I especially loved the fact that the early Sunday 3rd round coverage was also in HD on Universal HD (Channel 74 on DirecTV).  Nice way to wake up on a Sunday morning!
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Martin Del Vecchio

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2006, 09:53:50 AM »
And let's not even get into the fact that somepeople think itwould be an improvement for all HDTV content to "just" be broadcast in 720p (instead of 1080i).

1080 is better than 720, and 'p' is better than 'i'.  When you start to combine them, there are no longer facts, just preferences.

Jack_Marr

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2006, 09:57:35 AM »
No.

But I did notice that the contours of the course were much more visable this year - I think.
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Voytek Wilczak

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2006, 11:56:01 AM »
The more interesting question would be how many people THINK they are watching it in HD when they really aren't.

Probably 98% of 42" plasma TVs sold to date are not really HD, almost all sold are 480p.  Usually they are 640x480, a few newer ones are 1024x768 which is at least close to 720p.  Most (but not all) of the 50" plasmas can do lower resolution HD, i.e., 720p (they tend to be 1024x768, the widescreen ones are 1388x768 so they can display full 720p but not 1080i.  LCDs tend to have higher resolutions but most are only 720p capable.

The picture may be better than standard TVs on a lot of these "HD" TVs people are buying, but very few are capable of displaying the full 1920x1080 that CBS broadcast.

Anyone who wonders why the uptake of HD has been so slow needs look no further than the fact there are well over a dozen different HD formats.  With CRT sets it wasn't a huge problem, but with fixed pixel sets like plasmas, LCD or DLP its a pain in a ass.  If its native resolution is set up for 720p, it displays a worse picture for 1080i input than if it had just been broadcast at 720p, and vice versa, and all the fancy $1500 DVDO scalers can't make the problem go away, despite what the salesdroids would like people to believe.  I know a guy who "solved" the problem in his home theatre by getting TWO projectors, with some sort of $1000 gizmo that sends 720p content to the 720p projector and 480i/480p/1080i/1080p content to the 1080p projector!

Aaaaah, a fellow Home Theater enthusiast... :)

Fear not, true 1080p sets (ie sets which accept 1080p and display it natively) are coming soon enough (SXRD from Sony, Panasonic 1080p 65" plasma, several LCD sets, etc).

At the very least, with a nice scaler you'll upconvert everything to 1080p (ie deinterlace the Masters feed, for example), and send that to your display.

Provided the broadcast signal is true 1080i, the results should be spectacular. Even upconverted 720p should be nice.

Wayne Freeman

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2006, 10:55:24 PM »
I got a Mitsubishi 62" DLP just before the Olympics and couldn't be happier. What originally sold me was watching a tape of Sharapova's Open tennis win-  to say that she looks good is a bit of an understatement.
        The Olympic downhill skiing was unreal-  it looked like you were right there on the mountain with the racers.
         No question the golf viewing is amazing too!  

Don Dinkmeyer

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2006, 12:12:03 AM »
As my wife said, "Oh my, you can see his chest hairs!"

 :D

Jay Flemma

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2006, 04:24:13 PM »
Hell yeah I watch in all its 50 inch flat screen high def tasty goodness!  What civilized gentleman is not???' :P'

Brad Swanson

Re:Are you watching the Masters in HD?
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2006, 04:43:42 PM »
55" of 720p Sony RPLCD Masters was sweet eyecandy.  

Oh, and Doug, 1080i looks quite good on many 720p sets with good, built in scalers, but i digress.  Not even going to try to set the record straight on 720p vs 1080i.  The 1080i has a bigger number, so it must be better and have higher resolution, right!!?? ::) ??? ;D  


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Brad Swanson

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