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Kevin Pallier

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #75 on: May 31, 2011, 08:12:29 AM »
It's interesting that Tasmania's Ratho Links has something on you in the US  8)
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #76 on: May 31, 2011, 09:19:47 AM »
Upon reflection, I'd like to amend my previous post (Philmont South, 1906) to Philadelphia Cricket's St. Martin's course:

When the Golf Association of Philadelphia was organized in 1897, The Club was one of four founding members. The nine-hole course was built in 1895 and a new eighteen-hole course in 1897. The old eighteen-hole course, known as St. Martin's and now reduced to a pleasant nine-hole layout, hosted the United States Open Championships in 1907 and 1910.
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Tom Yost

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #77 on: May 31, 2011, 10:10:04 AM »
Not too much in the greater Phoenix area with history, but one of the earliest golf courses in the valley is San Marcos which opened for play in 1913.

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Dave Herrick

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #78 on: May 31, 2011, 10:23:14 AM »
The Waumbek Golf Club, Jefferson, NH and Overland Golf Course, Denver, both 1895.
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Harris Nepon

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #79 on: May 31, 2011, 10:27:52 AM »
Someone beat me to it, Niagara on the Lake Golf Club - 1875. Hosted the first ever International Tournament in North America in 1895.

http://www.notlgolf.com/course.html

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Gary Slatter

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Re:What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #80 on: May 31, 2011, 11:08:35 AM »
Quote from: Andrew Cunningham on April 06, 2006, 11:24:08 AM
Does America mean "North America?"  If so the Niagara-on-the-Lake Golf Course is the oldest golf course in North America, circa 1875.  http://notlgolf.com/index.html  Here's what the website says, "When John Geale Dickenson first laid out a few golf holes in 1875 on the Fort George common, which was just across the road from the family home on John Street, little did he know that it was just the beginning of part of North America's golf history.

Niagara-on-the-Lake Golf Course had the distinction of being host to the first ever-international tournament held in North America. That event - the Niagara International - was held September 5-7, 1895.

At the first Niagara International, the first hole served as the host of the longest drive championship. The eventual winner of both the tournament and the longest drive was an individual named Charles B. Macdonald of the Chicago Golf Club. He later would lay claim to the first official U.S. Amateur championship at Newport Golf Club. On the first hole he blasted a drive 179 yards, one foot and 6 inches."

That's the oldest I know of and have played.

Andrew

I've found when a US citizen says "America" they mean the USofA. When a Canadian says "America" he usually means North America.  When a Brit says America they usually mean "somewhere over there".   I think of America as North America, as in the NAFTA agreement.

Niagara on the Lake is a fun course, we played it in the 1970s when it was the only course open (early spring).
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Peter Pallotta

Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #81 on: May 31, 2011, 11:17:40 AM »
Gary - I think mine must be the 9-hole Guelph Country Club, which I think was laid out in about 1910.  (There is no official record of the architect, but hopeful speculation is that it was Stanley Thompson or his brother).  It seems to have fallen on a bit of hard times lately -- I think maybe the small membership has not yet fully come to terms with the fact that it is no longer a private club; and it's too bad.  I think there is a wonderful old golf course there (except for the almost uniformly bland greens) just waiting for a little TLC and some help drying it out. 

Peter
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Dan Kelly

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Re:What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #82 on: May 31, 2011, 11:31:26 AM »
Quote from: Eric Franzen on April 06, 2006, 02:47:15 AM
Kebo Valley, Maine.

First six holes completed in 1892.

I was going to say Town & Country Club in St. Paul -- but Kebo Valley beats that for me.

When was Wawashkamo built? That might be the oldest undisturbed (?) course I've played.
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BCrosby

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #83 on: May 31, 2011, 11:42:09 AM »
Myopia Hunt. Next oldest is Palmetto.


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Dan Kelly

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Re:What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #84 on: May 31, 2011, 12:08:56 PM »
Quote from: Bruce Leland on May 21, 2011, 08:22:31 PM
Quote from: Jason Topp on April 06, 2006, 11:30:33 AM
Waveland, Des Moines - dubbed as the oldest course West of the Mississippi.  I have seen a variety of dates, most of which are in the 1890's.
Jason:  Town and Country Club St. Paul lists it's charter date as 1888.  Not sure when the golf course was opened.  Rick S???

Bruce -- I can give you the date: 1893. (And the location: immediately EAST of the Mississippi.)

As for the details: You'll find them in Rick's book!

Dan
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Terry Lavin

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #85 on: May 31, 2011, 01:53:19 PM »
Midlothian CC, 1898
Flossmoor CC, 1899
Both by Tweedie
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Steve Pozaric

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #86 on: May 31, 2011, 02:11:34 PM »
Normandie Golf Club and Glen Echo Country Club in St. Louis - both 1901
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Doug Braunsdorf

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #87 on: May 31, 2011, 03:25:53 PM »
Kyle,

  Not sure about the dates on some of these, maybe some of you all can help out, but here:

Plainfield West (Bendelow)
Lu Lu (Ross)
Forest Park, Queens, NY (no idea of Architect)
Reading (Findlay)
Leatherstocking (Emmet)
Gulph Mills (Ross, et al)



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Howard Riefs

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #88 on: May 31, 2011, 03:46:18 PM »
Siasconset Golf Club on Nantucket, circa 1894. It was later shortened from 18 holes to 9 holes in 1925. 

It's located in the shadows of the well-heeled Nantucket Golf Club. Like night and day.
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Bill Seitz

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Re:What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #89 on: June 01, 2011, 01:29:08 AM »
Quote from: David Ober on April 05, 2006, 10:17:40 PM
Redlands Country Club in Redlands, California, and The Victoria Club in Riverside California (my home town), established in 1899(?) and 1903, respectively, making them two of the oldest golf clubs in the U.S. west of the Mississippi.

Vic was our home course during my senior year in college at UC Riverside.  Some of the guys on the team (we were a club team back then) were members, and I was always told that Vic was the oldest club west of the Mississippi that was still on it's original land.  I really enjoyed playing there.  I haven't played it since 1995, and would love to see how it plays with newer technology. 

I've played Ridge Country Club in Chicago, the website of which lists it as 1902. 
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Lou_Duran

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #90 on: June 01, 2011, 10:34:33 AM »
Ottawa Park Golf Course – Toledo, Ohio

From the club's website:


"Designed by S.P. Jermain – Established in 1899
Even though the recognized date of 1899 is historical enough for most people, Sylvanus Pierson Jermain, the first president of the famous Inverness Club claimed that golf was actually played on the grounds of Ottawa Park in 1894. Ottawa Park has the distinction of being the oldest public golf course west of New York City.

"Ottawa Park claimed another first in 1922 when it hosted the first USGA National Public Links Championship.

"In 1918, S.P. Jermain was again involved in the important growth of golf by guiding the first group of organized women golfers which became the Toledo Women's District Golf Association. The Toledo Golf Club based at Ottawa Park was a charter member of the of the TWDGA.

"In 1977 many renovations and upgrades to Ottawa's greens, tees, bunkers and irrigation was completed by Toledo's own world famous golf course architect Arthur Hills. Today, because of those renovations, Ottawa Park is known for fine greens of modern day excellence placed through the natural settings that S.P. Jermain said that 'nature clearly Intended for a golf course.' "

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Terry Lavin

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2011, 11:00:50 AM »
Quote from: Shivas on June 01, 2011, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: Terry Lavin on May 31, 2011, 01:53:19 PM
Midlothian CC, 1898
Flossmoor CC, 1899
Both by Tweedie

Uhh, if it please the court...with all due respect, your Honor, I move that you reconsider...



I'm guessing that you're inferring that Exmoor is older?  I stand corrected!
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Steve Wilson

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #92 on: June 01, 2011, 11:26:49 AM »
Do NLE or I (intermittently) NE courses count?  If so that would be Oakhurst Links.

Otherwise Fenwick CT which is, according to an Anthony Pioppi opinion piece I can no longer locate, reputed to be from 1895.

Otsego (sp) near Cooperstown NY bills itself as 1890, but I only intended to play there and hadn't handed over my green fee when the rain followed by thunderstorm broke.

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John Keenan

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #93 on: June 01, 2011, 11:30:56 AM »
Mare Island is reputed to be (and they claim it on their site) the oldest course west of the Mississippi.  Dated it 1892

David Tepper not sure if that is older than Presidio or even how accurate their claim is.


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Mike Tanner

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #94 on: June 01, 2011, 01:37:33 PM »
A couple of Roaring Twenties courses for me:

Ingleside Resort & CC, Fred Findlay; Staunton, Virginia; 1926
Cavalier Golf & Yacht Club, Charles Banks; Va. Beach, Virginia, 1928
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Tom ORourke

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #95 on: June 01, 2011, 02:22:29 PM »
My home course is the 9 hole Moorestown Field Club, in New Jersey, first built in 1892 by Sam Allen, who also designed the Flexible Flyer sled. The course was redone in 1911 and is currently being worked on by Kelly Blake Moran. We have a match this weekend against the nearby 9 hole Merchantville Golf Club, also built in 1892, thus the title of the 1892 Cup.
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Mike Cirba

Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2011, 04:24:14 PM »
Existing course on the same site as at least some of the original course;

Atlantic City 1897
Baltusrol Lower 1898
Baltusrol Upper 1895
Bedford Springs 1895
Charlevoix (MI) 1896
Clifton Park (MD) 1898
Concord (PA) 1898
Dyker Beach 1897
Equinox (VT) 1897
Forest Park (NY) 1896
Garden City 1897
Hendricks Field (NJ) 1897
Hollywood 1898
Maidstone 1896
Myopia Hunt 1894
Philadelphia Cricket (St. Martins) 1895
Plainfield West 1898
Samoset (ME) 1898
Shinnecock Hills 1891
Taconic (MA) 1898
The Country Club (MA) 1893
Van Cortlandt 1895
Wyoming Valley (PA) 1896

Hoping to play Highland in Truro this year, which would be the second oldest (1892) I've played in the states...

Abroad, both the Old Course and North Berwick go pretty far back...
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Jay Flemma

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #97 on: June 02, 2011, 04:50:26 PM »
St. Andrews in Hastings-on-Hudson.  (Hated it).

The oldest I've played that still continuous is probably Philly Cricket 9-holer (1895?) then Wissahicken, then Garden City.  Played ACCC and Baltusrol too.
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MHiserman

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2011, 09:51:47 PM »
Aetna Springs 1891 (according to Old Napa Valley by Lin Weber-STully will disagree) Thanks Tom & Jim.
Shinnecock Hills 1891
STully and I had a great discussion regarding this recently in SF.  Great night, Thanks to all in attendance.
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Jason Hines

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Re: What is the oldest golf course you've played (in America)?
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2011, 10:07:14 PM »
The Field Club in Omaha, NE, home of Johnny Goodman.  1898, which is fairly old for west of the Mississippi.

http://www.fcomaha.com/fw/main/Home-1.html
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