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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Cypress Point - I'm a changed person
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2006, 02:35:16 PM »
As a season ticket holder at The Theatre of Dreams...I am supposed to hate the gooners..but not tonight..go ahead and put the arrogant Juve out of their misery..and go on and win the whole thing.
Wenger is a frigging genius, the wealth of young talent...all be it non British.....at Highbury is phenomenal, the next decade for you guys is looking very promising indeed...as for sunday, I go back to being a gooner hater ;)

After all if we dont get 3 points on sunday, your London rivals will basically clinch the title...somewhat of a catch 22 situation for you guys really....surely you cannot have a preference for Chelski over United?

Bob_Huntley

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« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2006, 02:53:13 PM »
After all if we dont get 3 points on sunday, your London rivals will basically clinch the title...somewhat of a catch 22 situation for you guys really....surely you cannot have a preference for Chelski over United?

Michael,

Why on earth not?

Bob

Tim Leahy

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« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2006, 03:08:26 PM »
With the popularity these days of the LPGA, do think CPC could hold a women's major? I would love to see it, even if I haven't played it yet.
I love golf, the fightin irish, and beautiful women depending on the season and availability.

Mike Benham

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« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2006, 03:14:45 PM »

Ps:  the talk of football and LPGA has really taken this nice thread way, way off-topic ...
« Last Edit: April 05, 2006, 06:44:02 PM by Mike Benham »
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Cypress Point - I'm a changed person
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2006, 03:56:16 PM »
Oh no...I did not see Mr Huntley hovering on the site..now I am in trouble ;D

It does look as though the self proclaimed prophet that is MOURINHO will be wrong with his "title on april 9th" prediction..just about the only thing he has got wrong though!

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Cypress Point - I'm a changed person
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2006, 04:02:19 PM »
Back onto the thread......
I also was changed forever following a round at the hallowed venue..every hole was a joy..the last 12 holes are spellbinding, the purity og the golf is beyond words...it is simply an awesome site and a memory I  will never forget.

The loop of 15-16-17  words fail me!

David Wigler

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Re:Cypress Point - I'm a changed person
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2006, 04:35:30 PM »
To go a little old school, here is what someone wrote way back when on GCA about CPC.  I wish I could remember who wrote it:

"The 16th hole at Cypress Point is THE greatest golf hole in the world.

It is heroic, strategic AND penal.

It is situated on one of the most breathtaking land forms in the world.

It is the orgasm of the most sensual golf experience on earth.

It overwhelms you visually, emotionally, spiritually, physically and psychologically.

It attacks your sensorium from every possible perspective.

It is the peak experience on quite possibly the greatest course in the universe.

It demands the ultimate from your golf game.

It is simply - unforgettable.

Continue your debate/discussion. Obviously, from my perspective, it is moot and, at most, unadulterated blather."

Boy I wish I could take credit for that!!

Furthermore, one of the coolest articles ever was written by Wayne Freeman about the walk from 15 to 16.  Maybe Wayne could post it here if he still has it.  I would love to read it again.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2006, 04:46:03 PM by David Wigler »
And I took full blame then, and retain such now.  My utter ignorance in not trumpeting a course I have never seen remains inexcusable.
Tom Huckaby 2/24/04

Eric Franzen

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« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2006, 04:39:46 PM »
To go a little old school, here is what someone wrote way back when on GCA about CPC.  I wish I could remember who wrote it:


A search reveals that Gene Greco wrote it and that is posted in this thread:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=3384

David Wigler

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Re:Cypress Point - I'm a changed person
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2006, 04:44:04 PM »
Eric,

You have 83 posts and can get the search button to work all the way back to 2002.  I have been on this site for 5 years and cannot figure out the search if my life depended on it.  Thank you.  That was a great old thread to read.  Now if you could only find Wayne Freeman's article about the walk from 15 to 16.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2006, 04:46:17 PM by David Wigler »
And I took full blame then, and retain such now.  My utter ignorance in not trumpeting a course I have never seen remains inexcusable.
Tom Huckaby 2/24/04

Eric Franzen

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« Reply #59 on: April 05, 2006, 04:47:30 PM »
That was a great old thread to read.  Now if you could only find Wayne Freeman's article about the walk from 15 to 16.

Is it this one?

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=waynes_golf_addiction&id=3422980

Tom Huckaby

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« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2006, 04:48:58 PM »
Eric - that's the one - my man Wayne can certainly write.

 ;D

Marty Bonnar

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Re:Cypress Point - I'm a changed person
« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2006, 05:06:24 PM »
No apologies from me for re-posting my thoughts...


The grey, misty, rainy dawn finally arrives, looking more like one from my homeland rather than the sunny, blue-skied one which has accompanied my life-long imaginings. Still, we are here to play Golf at ‘The Place’ and nothing - not even what we Scots call ‘a bit o’ dreich weather’ – can possibly be allowed to spoil the experience.

We drive along the scenic roadway through the trees and out into the grand panorama of the peninsula. Through the murky, drizzling downpour, we are able to see maybe only a few hundred yards at most. The lack of clear visibility only serves to add to the atmosphere of the place. It brings a perfect soft-focus fuzziness to the sensation of unreality presently attending the actual living-out of a dream.

I look around eagerly, trying to soak in as much detail as possible; making mental pictures, trying to record the necessary views for the ‘memory-movie’. Like a best-ever Xmas morning, I want, no, NEED, to be able to recall every moment of this special day; to be able to conjure up the entire experience in perfect detail in my mind for a long, long time to come.

Turning now towards the Sea, and dropping down to almost touch it, we pass through a glorious golfing landscape; a landscape as familiar as the Linksland of home, yet one also possessing a certain strangeness or, perhaps more correctly, an other-worldliness which is oddly unsettling to my eye. The shapes of the landforms are broadly the same as home, but perhaps somewhat more ‘theatrical’; many of the plants I recognise, but they are of a different ‘scale’; the rocks and soil look something like the rocks and soil of home but having somewhat bolder colours, shapes and textures.

Finally, a familiar vision begins to emerge from the mist. On the right side, a small peninsula reaches out into the ocean. Of course I feel I know it; I have seen it so many times in so many photos. My excitement levels rise as I know there are some of the finest holes in the world of golf there. This time, the overlapping horizons appear only in ethereal shades of grey, looking so like the monochrome images from a book I know very well; a jagged line of trees here, the rolling edges of dunes there. Then - rather quickly - more and more detail: crinkled bunker edges; a flag fluttering on a sweetly-contoured green; a tumbling fairway; areas of rough effortlessly merging with their gnarly surroundings; individual trees contorted into extravagant shapes by the elements. Good grief, I KNOW that Green! It’s the thirteenth at CYPRESS - and with luck I will soon be upon it!

Rounding the final corner, the entrance roadway appears, looking exactly as I had imagined; a sweeping, graceful curve wandering without a care into the woods. And there, devoid of any pretence, a simple timber sign proclaiming in subtle, tasteful white lettering: CYPRESS POINT CLUB; and, rather discreetly in smaller text, below a neat ruled line, MEMBERS ONLY. Why, of course! – this is ‘The Peninsula’; here there need be no fences or walls, no need for vain displays of neatly-trimmed box hedge or ranks of riotously-colourful summer bedding plants and certainly no need for an imposing grand guarded gateway. NO! Those would be ridiculous unnecessary affectations, for this is simply ‘The Peninsula’ – this is simply, Cypress Point.

We motor up the short driveway and, in the pouring rain, hesitantly begin to unpack the golfing gear. I ask myself some very serious questions. Will they allow us out? Do they close the Course on days like this? Do they perhaps do Rain-checks? Unnecessary questions as it turns out, as the rain begins to clear and I notice a few other lucky golfers also going about the same business, looking and sounding at least as thrilled as I. There may possibly even be the sound of an excited ‘holler’ or two. I simply can’t tell, for I am far, far away, in a world and time of my own, filled with my thoughts of MacKenzie and the days he spent here, creating this masterpiece.

So began a day without parallel.

A day which now, on reflection, fills me with an incredible happiness, tempered only slightly by a little sadness. The happiness, that which accompanies the realisation of a lifetime’s dream; the sadness brought by the knowledge of the possibility that it may never happen again. However, this is certainly not really a time for morose introspection, for this was the day I actually got to visit the golf course which figures in my thoughts and dreams more than any other. The day I experienced first-hand, the beauty, grandeur and elegance of The Good Doctor’s ‘Course without Peer’. The day I, at last, walked and played – Cypress Point. What a good day it was.


Hope you agreed!
FBD.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

ed_getka

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Re:Cypress Point - I'm a changed person
« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2006, 05:29:40 PM »
Martin,
   You go man. Wow, I really enjoyed Wayne's piece (thanks David W), but I want to leave work right now and go sit on the dunes above #8 and just meditate on it for a while. You have a nice flair for writing my friend. :)
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Cypress Point - I'm a changed person
« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2006, 05:33:34 PM »
I can't believe it was four years ago that Dr. Greco et. al. were here.

Someone refresh my memory. When did Lou Duran have it four under after leaving the fourteenth hole? A poor call from the caddie had him hitting his short iron thirty yards over the pin to the water cooler at the start of trees. Pity. :)

Bob

Tom Huckaby

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« Reply #64 on: April 05, 2006, 05:36:16 PM »
Bob - well as you can tell from that other thread and our allusions to Lou's feats, it occurred before 2002!  I believe it was some time in 2001.   But perhaps one of the protagonists that day will check in and confirm.

Time does fly though, that's for sure.  Do you recall our first meetings as part of the "Grillroom National Open" or whatever we called it?

That was in 1997.

 :'(

Andrew Cunningham

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« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2006, 05:37:54 PM »
Here’s my Cypress experience:

Several years back I interviewed with a Bay area company and took the opportunity to drive down to the Monterrey Peninsula for the very first time.  It was a big thrill just to drive down to see Cypress, Pebble, Spyglass, etc. let alone even think about playing them.  As most of you know the beauty of 17 mile drive is stunning and to see holes of THE Cypress Point Club (it’s surprising how little you actually can see given how unbelievably close you really are) well that was just unbelievable.  I rode the brakes trying to go as slow as I possibly could, hoping to catch just a glimpse of the hallowed 16th.  No luck.  As I crawled along the windy road I did take a quick snap of the Members Only sign as a memento.

After having lunch and watching a few hours of the final round of the Masters in the Tap Room at the Pebble Beach Lodge, it was time to head back north.  As I neared the Cypress Point Club entrance once again, it occurred to me that if I didn’t get the job I may not have the opportunity to return to what was now my most favorite place on earth.  In retrospect what I did next was wrong and exactly why they put up Members Only signs – yeah I drove into the parking lot got out and entered the Pro Shop.  My knees were shaking, what the hell was I doing???  I was politely asked by the gentleman behind the counter “how can I help you?”  Well, first off you can set me up for a late afternoon game, I thought to myself – yeah right!  I was really thinking please don’t have me arrested for trespassing.

I asked if I could purchase a towel and was (again politely) told that I had to be with a member to purchase anything.  Ok, sorry I said and turned walked out.  What a small Pro Shop I thought to myself as I sheepishly crawled back to my rental.  Well, at least I actually stepped foot on the property.  From that moment on I set a goal to someday, somehow actually drive up that short laneway without the fear of legal repercussions.

Fortunately, I got the job and had the opportunity over the years of visiting the Monterrey Peninsula many times.  I was also fortunate to experience some of the greatest golf in the world on those trips.  I’ve always been a strong believer in goals and in never giving up.  Well, in the spring of 2004 my long held dream came true.  What made it extra special is that my brother was able to join me for that memorable round at the Cypress Point Club.  My knees still shook on my second walk up to the Pro Shop but this time out of pure exhilaration.  It is hard to be objective and analyze a course you have only ever dreamed of playing.  Harder yet is it for that course to live up to your unrealistic expectations.  But Cypress Point did and provided much more.  Every member of this site – and those that frequent it - has seen pictures of the 16th but I personally fell in love with the 15th.  And for those who haven’t been as incredibly lucky to experience it first hand here is a quick glimpse.  Thanks again to Jim Langley for making one man’s dream come true.

« Last Edit: April 05, 2006, 06:27:24 PM by ACE »

Tom Huckaby

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« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2006, 05:41:14 PM »
Great story Ace, and great pic.

Would you believe quite a few regulars on
this site poo-pooh 15, saying it's too easy,
just a wedge, whatever?

They know who they are, and they have no
souls.

 ;)

Mark Arata

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« Reply #67 on: April 05, 2006, 05:54:51 PM »
When I was 13, I had my dad stop the car, and I got out and snuck over the fence and saw the 15th hole for the first time. I played pitch and putt golf before, but wasnt totally into it back then. That view changed my life....who would have guessed that 27 years and 150 pounds later, my dream would come true!

New Orleans, proud to swim home...........

Tom Huckaby

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« Reply #68 on: April 05, 2006, 05:59:20 PM »
Mark:

Quite a few of us have stories much like that.

My high school golf team made a legendary
commando raid on 16... 6 of us all hit two
balls each from the tee, in the rain.  None
were retrieved - none could have been.

 ;)

Three of us got to play the course for real
a year later - snot-nosed brats - it was just
another round, another match, at least partly.

About 20 years and at least 75 pounds later in
my case, I got to play it for real again as well...
proper appreciation is a wonderful thing.

 ;D

Pete Lavallee

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« Reply #69 on: April 05, 2006, 06:03:21 PM »
Bob,

I believe that Lou played just after KP I (April 2002) and just before I played CPC (June 2002) with David, Neal and Don. Hard to believe four years have past since that magical day; I remember it like it happened yesterday. If I remember correctly Lou's downfall was hitting 5 wood on 16th a little left and a little long. He ended up on the beach and had either the option to play it or return to the tee; his score unraveled from there.

As I have said before my only regret was that I had already made up my mind that I would hit driver on #9; just because so many, like Nicklaus, had said it was a foolhardy play. Just as we got to the 9th tee a huge fog bank rolled in and we could barely see 100 yards. The caddies reccomended hitting our 150 yard club; under the circumstances it seemed the prudent play. But boy would I love to have a chance to drive one down by that green!
« Last Edit: April 05, 2006, 10:29:41 PM by Pete Lavallee »
"...one inoculated with the virus must swing a golf-club or perish."  Robert Hunter

Gene Greco

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« Reply #70 on: April 05, 2006, 06:15:27 PM »
Bob:

     It is about two and one half years (Oct. 2003) since I last stepped up to the 16th tee at Cypress Point in a dense fog with Mr. Sweeney, Mr. Regan and Mr. Sivara.

Previously, I had played CP twice in 1993 and once in 1997.

Each time I visit I treat it as my last, soaking up every drop of my surrounds with all six senses.

Six?

Well, you just know God is there unless it is June through Sept when he is in Mullen for the Summer. ;)
"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

Tom Huckaby

Re:Cypress Point - I'm a changed person
« Reply #71 on: April 05, 2006, 06:20:32 PM »
Gene:

So very, very well said.  God spends 3 seasons in
Monterey, one in Mullen.

 ;D

Mike Benham

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« Reply #72 on: April 05, 2006, 06:40:19 PM »
A day which now, on reflection, fills me with an incredible happiness, tempered only slightly by a little sadness. The happiness, that which accompanies the realisation of a lifetime’s dream; the sadness brought by the knowledge of the possibility that it may never happen again. However, this is certainly not really a time for morose introspection, for this was the day I actually got to visit the golf course which figures in my thoughts and dreams more than any other. The day I experienced first-hand, the beauty, grandeur and elegance of The Good Doctor’s ‘Course without Peer’. The day I, at last, walked and played – Cypress Point. What a good day it was.


"... and I liked the guy ..."

Gene Greco

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« Reply #73 on: April 05, 2006, 06:55:47 PM »
To go a little old school, here is what someone wrote way back when on GCA about CPC.  I wish I could remember who wrote it:

"The 16th hole at Cypress Point is THE greatest golf hole in the world.

It is heroic, strategic AND penal.

It is situated on one of the most breathtaking land forms in the world.

It is the orgasm of the most sensual golf experience on earth.

It overwhelms you visually, emotionally, spiritually, physically and psychologically.

It attacks your sensorium from every possible perspective.

It is the peak experience on quite possibly the greatest course in the universe.

It demands the ultimate from your golf game.

It is simply - unforgettable.

Continue your debate/discussion. Obviously, from my perspective, it is moot and, at most, unadulterated blather."

Boy I wish I could take credit for that!!

Furthermore, one of the coolest articles ever was written by Wayne Freeman about the walk from 15 to 16.  Maybe Wayne could post it here if he still has it.  I would love to read it again.


Dave,

     Thanks for remembering the post and also for the complement.

I must have found an old bottle of absinthe or something before I wrote it.

      Gene


Eric:

     Will you please send me a private email explaining how you found these threads? Based on my experiences I find this remarkable.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2006, 07:01:31 PM by Gene Greco »
"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

wsmorrison

Re:Cypress Point - I'm a changed person
« Reply #74 on: April 05, 2006, 07:01:40 PM »
I've never had the pleasure of walking the grounds of Cypress Point, I only slowed down to a crawl while driving past to the annoyance of the caravan of motorists behind me.  I also know that pictures can only tell so much, but I like the look of 15 better than that of 16.  I know the heroic carry and all that makes 16 a far more memorable hole, but in terms of design and the present look, I think 15 appeals to my eye more than 16.  Am I crazy?  Huck talked about people not regarding 15 so highly because of the short nature of the shot, but I think it looks great!!  A good friend of mine aced 15 but that has no bearing whatsoever (a boyhood friend of one Mike Sweeney).
« Last Edit: April 05, 2006, 07:02:31 PM by Wayne Morrison »

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