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Ran Morrissett

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Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« on: January 11, 2002, 12:06:11 PM »
Based on correspondence with Jeff Mingay, CBH has made it clear that they would be delighted to see a group of us in July, especially mid week. Dates like July 9-11 and July 16-18 have been discussed.

Looking at it from a North Carolina perspective, I would fly to Boston then Halifax. It is a four hour drive from there to CBH.

Say a group of us met at the Boston airport on a Monday afternoon and arrived at CBH Monday evening. Play golf all day Tuesday and Wednesday and return to civilization Thursday AM.

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday nights would be a blast, whatever we do.

Who is up for something like that?

Cheers,
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THuckaby2

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2002, 12:11:06 PM »
Ran:  that's among my "must see" places and I'm picturing the people involved, so that's making this a "must do."  Realities of life though make me 50% at this time.  But count me as a qualified interested.... And any suggestions re marital negotiation tactics, I am all ears.

Damn - I have a work trip to Boston in May, that would make this really easy... Too early then, eh?

BTW, did you fellows know Southwest Airlines flies to Islip on Long Island?  That matters only to us West Coasters really but it has me dreaming of visiting Gene again....

TH

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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2002, 12:30:31 PM »
What do you mean it only matters to West Coasters?  I've had my eye on that SW flight to Islip for quite a while, but haven't been able to use it yet.  SW flies out of RDU airport.  There's even a direct flight to Vegas from here.

Regarding CBH, I of course would be interested, but, like Tom, have family matters pulling, not to mention a limited number of vacation days.  There's also other outings I hope to make at least one or two below.

Supposed other GCA outings/get-togethers/GCA fund raising events:

Cuscowilla
West Coast GCA fund-raiser
East Coast GCA fund-raiser (at Beechtree, I believe)
GCGC (maybe)
NGLA (maybe)
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Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2002, 12:32:19 PM »
Ran,
If you want to fly to Sydney, N.S., you can from Halifax, quick hop puts you out about 45 minutes to one hour.

I would like to come I have to think about the dates, but count me in temporarily.
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THuckaby2

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2002, 12:36:50 PM »
Scott - my apologies, I thought SWA flew only from west coast cities.  Checked their web site and boy was I wrong... OK, that Islip site is of interest to all of us!

As for West Coast "fundraiser", at one point I volunteered to do leg work but I have literally ZERO connections outside of people I meet through here really... so I am happy to set such up and make arrangements, but I just think someone more "inside" could have access to things I have no hope for... I have the time and energy to do it, though.

The last take on this was it's gonna be Rustic Canyon, approximately September when the course is truly ready to play.  I'm open for all other thoughts, though.

TH
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2002, 12:51:11 PM »
There was mention earlier about having the West Coast thing in March in Arizona or Barona Creek, but nothing finalized.

I just checked flights from RDU to Halifax, and beaucoup $ would be saved by flying to Bangor, ME and driving.  Save bigger beaucoup $ by flying to Boston, drive to Portland, ME, take the ferry to Yarmouth, NS and drive.
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THuckaby2

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2002, 01:09:35 PM »
Scott:  correct.  The problem seems to me to be these things don't really get planned unless they have Ran sanction and participation.  Ran, any plans to head west?

Barona works for me... I'm gonna see that next weekend and I'm sure going back will be the first order of business soon thereafter!

TH
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John_Conley

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2002, 05:20:07 PM »
Ran:

I'd love to join you, but I'll be a father by Wednesday.   ;D  No trips like that for a little while.   :(

I had rezzies for Celtic Lodge last summer and planned on going.  It is so remote we just couldn't swing it.

Good luck rustling up troops.  There are easier places to go.  Count me in for any Florida deals.

JOHN
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Gene Greco

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2002, 05:52:50 PM »
If you're gonna do this y'all need to fly to Halifax and drive. When I made my pilgrimmage to Cape Breton Highland Links we drove from Long Island - it would have taken less time to drive to Palm Beach, Florida! We took the ferry from Bar Harbor, Maine to Yarmouth which ended up being quite unpleasant. Half-hour into the trip I was up $200 at the blackjack table, vodka tonic in hand and I quietly excused myself, tipped the dealer and proceeded to regurgitate incessantly for the remaining six hours of the boat ride. Looked like a prisoner of war when we reached land. From there to the golf course the drive seems endless.

Tom: Why dream? Look me up in May and we'll do it again!!!! (Also, need Geoff C.'s email as he made me a nice offer when we were at NGLA which I would like to take him up on.)
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Rob LeBlanc

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2002, 07:25:34 PM »
Seeing as I missed Jeff M when he was there last year and considering I live in Halifax, I would love to try to clear some time to make the pilgramage and welcome you all to Halifax. Keep me up to date!

Cheers
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Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2002, 07:26:57 PM »
Gene,
Were you happy with the course after your trevails?  Has that drive jaded you from the CBH?
Ben
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ed_getka

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2002, 07:47:04 PM »
Tom,
I just played Barona on Wednesday and LOVED it! Have a great time and if you want to save a few bucks play at noon and the green fee goes down to $45. Play it from the tips because its firm and fast and bring that short game of yours. Look forward to hearing your feedback.

P.S. Think I can stow away in your luggage in May when you fly to Islip? :)
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Tom MacWood (Guest)

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2002, 08:00:14 PM »
Ed Getka
So is that a yes for you to Stan Thompson's Cape Breton?! I'm right behind you!
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GeoffreyC

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2002, 08:10:57 PM »
Gene

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Check your messages on this board- I left one for you a little while back.
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Jeff Mingay

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2002, 07:38:50 AM »
I have to jump in here and say that golf at Highlands Links is not your typical North American experience. If anyone of you guys is interested in making a unique trip for golf this coming year, this is the one.

First of all, the golf course is world-class.

And the setting is incomparable. Trust me, there's nothing better (well, at least in Canada) than 36 holes at Highlands Links followed by drinks and lobster in the Keltic Lodge looking out over teh Atlantic Ocean!  

Then, the people of Cape Breton enhance the golfing, the setting, the eating and the drinking! They are most accommodating to golfing visitors.

Irene Khattar, who is the marketing director for Highlands Links, is very excited about a GCA group making the trip this summer. She's offered FREE golf, discounted accommodations, and a few other potential perks depending on the number of people interested in attending.  

Also, Geoff Cornish and I were supposed to make a trip to Highlands Links in mid-September for a 60th anniversary celebration (they mark 1941 as the year during which all 18-holes opened for play). But those plans were cancelled in the aftermath of September 11.

So Irene has suggested that a GCA get-together might be a great opportunity to invite Mr. Cornish back to speak during a group dinner one evening. Cornish was the construction superintendent for Stanley Thompson during the construction of Highlands Links in the late 1930s! He has great stories.

And then there's Joe Robinson, who has been the professional at Highlands Links for more than a quarter century and knows the course better than anyone. I imagine we could convince him to say a few words as well.

And perhaps Rob LeBlanc too. Rob's a golf architect based in Halifax who has plans to build a new courses in Cape Breton in the near future; right Rob?  

In fact, there are few interesting sites proposed for new golf courses (relatively) nearby Highlands Links that might interest some. As I understand, one of the proposed sites, near the town of Inverness on the west coast, resembles linksland.

Just thought I'd throw out a few thoughts...
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Lou Duran

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2002, 07:58:09 AM »
If this invitation is open to us mere "Guests" of GCA.com in the outposts of the civilized golfing world, I am a likely participant.  Fixing the dates as early as possible would be helpful.

Jeff- what is the reputation of Beacon Hall up there?  It ate my lunch from the back tees, but I liked it a lot.
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Gene Greco

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2002, 09:47:14 AM »
Ben D:

       See Jeff Mingay's post, my feelings exactly. If you're one who likes to play golf at the ends of the earth in isolated places (Sand Hills, Machrahaish, Fisher's Island) then this is for you.
       Crisp Stanley Thompson design in an area filled with majestic beauty. Sun sets late that time of year so one might have time for a drive along the Cabot Trail after your five star meal at the Keltic Lodge. The drive is as breathtaking as one along PCH on Big Sur - forests of white birch, bald eagles everyplace, whales surfacing ubiquitously.
       This is, indeed, a very special travel destination with great golf to boot!


Geoff: Got it! And to you as well, my friend.
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Rob LeBlanc

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2002, 10:22:53 AM »
Jeff's right, Highlands Links is truly a world class course and one of Thompson's gems. The website can be found at http://www.highlandslinksgolf.com but I warn you, no picture can do the place justice. The journey is not for the faint of heart but those of you that decide to go will be rewarded with some of the most amazing scenery anywhere.

Jeff, our course planned for Cape Breton has been on hold for the last 6-7 months so its hard to say whether construction will be proceeding at that time. However, construction on Silver Sands (an ocean front executive golf course with 14 holes on the ocean...four on a 29 acre island) should be starting around then and I would be glad to take a group out to the site for a walk. Its about 12 minutes from downtown Halifax.

If Geoffrey Cornish could make the trip, it would be extra special for the group. Geoff is one of golf architecture's great historians and one heck of a great guy. I can't imagine a better time than cracking lobsters and brew at Keltic Lodge while listening to Goeff Cornish recount some stories of HL's layout and construction.

RL
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Jeff Mingay

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2002, 10:40:55 AM »
Lou,

I recall Beacon Hall is ranked highly by Score Golf. It might even be a top-10 couse in Canada, according to that magazine.  

But I'm not a fan of the course.

I found the routing to be very awkward on an interesting property. In fact, the 6th hole -- that 90* dogleg on the front; is it the  6th? -- is one of the most awkward holes I've ever seen/played. There's no other option than to hit a mid-iron off the tee, followed by a pitch to one of the widest and narrowest greens I've ever seen. It's a very odd looking look too. No fun at all.

The 18th is another severe dogleg, and a long hole too with a dramatic uphill approach. But here, the fairway is divided in two by a strip of rough some 250 or so off the tee? I've never understood this. It's very much like what Seve did at Valderama's 17th in preparation for the Ryder Cup to prevent guys from hitting long drives. It's silly.

Beacon Hall's also one of those "schizophrenic" courses. The front nine is routed through a dense pine forest, and the incoming holes have been described as a pseudo-links. They're pretty wide open. Unless a course is very good (a la High Pointe), I'm not a fan of this type of contrast.

And Bob Cupp's and Tom McBroom's bunkers are round, filled with glaring white sand, neatly edged, and thus very sterile looking. They contrast the natural ruggedness of the property.

As I understand it, money wasn't an issue for the people who developed Beacon Hall. The natural characteristics of property lend to interesting golf. So, with that said, I have to say Cupp and McBroom missed an excellent opportunity to build a world-class golf course.

Funny, Cupp landed the Beacon Hall job while he was remodelling Rosedale: a neat old Ross course in Toronto. If you have the opportunity to play Rosedale, to avoid crying, skip the 18th hole. Putt out on the 17th and walk in  ;D
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Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2002, 10:45:03 AM »
Gene,
I am happy to hear that, it just sounded like it did not get off to a great start.
I have spent a number of summers in Baddeck
(20 mins away) and have had a chance to play the course a couple of times.  A special place to play golf, nice to see so many interested in one of the true gems (not just golfing) we have here in Canada.
Ben
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Scott_Park

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2002, 06:32:15 PM »
Count me in.

For those of you thinking of flying to somewhere in the northeastern US and driving, it is about 500 mi from Bangor, Maine to CBH.  

The easiest trip seems to be fly to Boston (I will also be originating out of RDU), then on to Halifax (YHZ) and Sydney, NS (YQY).  Round trip from Boston to Sydney is $375.  Flying to Halifax is only $37 cheaper.

Air Canada might offer group rates, and if a decent number of us can meet in Boston, we might be able to get the flight to Sydney at a better rate.

Scott
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2002, 07:42:40 PM »
Ran, Cape Breton Highlands has always been a dream trip for me since I started reading about Stanley Thompson years ago.  Only drawback at this point is an already crowded summer calendar (Italy in June, Santa Barbara in August), but it might work. Please put me down as a "strong tentative." After Pacific/Bandon Dunes last summer, it would be hard to equal, but I suspect CBH is up to the task!  And the ambience overall does sound superb.  Thanks.
Bill McBride
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John_D._Bernhardt

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2002, 10:19:36 PM »
Bill, I am glad to see golf travel back on our radar screen. Ran, I am a big ST fan too and would love to be there. Naturally, I have to get past this anti cannuck thing that flows from an unplanned week in Newfoundland  Sept 11 to 18, 2001.
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dick_cesana

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2002, 09:36:41 AM »
As long as they have carts and oxygen is available count me in/sounds like a great trip :)
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brad miller

Re: Who would join us at Cape Breton Highlands?
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2002, 09:52:38 AM »
golf and lobster, two of my fav's, I'm interested.
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